Plop counting Dortmund titles. Cool

Yeah this. My number one fat bloke in pub pet peeve is when commentators say 'he's got to at least hit the target from there', as if hitting it tamely at the keeper is better than missing the top corner by a few inches.

Well you said Klopp and his trophies. Not LFC and their trophies. Klopp has plenty of trophies and has won them against the odds. The new standard is win a trophy in a year and a half or gtfo?

http://www.examiner.co.uk/sport/foot...nning-11402612

tl;dr - 28/1 to win Championship, 9/1 to get promoted. Odds are never that crazy due to relative parity in Champ compared to the PL.

On PKs, unless you completely telegraph where you're going, you can tamely hit it on target and you have a 2 in 3 chance of converting the PK. Drilling it over the top of the goal you have a 0% chance of converting the PK. If you're not an elite PK taker who knows he can pick the top of the corner you should probably just get it on frame and make the keeper guess right and make a save. The Yank for Reading literally hit it tamely at the keeper and scored

Did you just invent that 2 in 3 statistic?

I'm putting it in very very simple terms. 2 in 3 represents the fact that you could either hit it to the right, the left, or down the middle and hope the keeper guesses incorrectly. Hitting it over the bar is 0 in 3

Yep, and if you win it you have to make do with a blow up trophy.

Basically you either score or you don't lfc so think you meant 1 in 2

what if its a penalty to win the champions league final and you slip and fall on your arse before kicking the ball. does that change the success ratio

Lol beat me to this.

LOL incredible

I didn't mean it from an analytical percentages standpoint obv. It was in response to hitting it tamely at the keeper is the same as skying it over the bar, which in the case of PKs it very clearly isn't. You have 3 spots you can hit it, and if the keeper guesses the wrong way you can hit tamely in one of those 3 directions and still score. Again, Danny Williams hit the tamest PK of the round directly where the keeper was standing and still scored.

Not sure. Going to have to go to the video tape...


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You're assuming that the keeper guesses against non-regular penalty takers.

See gif above this post. Even John Terry sent the keeper the wrong way. If that shot was "tame" it goes in.

Also in the case of the Reading guy who grazed the top of the bar in the center of the goal, the keeper still "guessed"

I do have to agree with LFC here. The % conversion rates in shoot outs is absolutely dire and stems mostly from lack of preparation imo. There's no excuse for any pro to be less than 80% from the spot. Yet tbh even world class players have worse ratios than that. It's like free throws in basketball. You should be 80% minimum as a pro but some bigs are 50% which is literally worse than old guys in the recreational leagues.

Any professional footballer should be able to kick a ball accurately enough, with enough pace that the keeper can basically never save it, the vast majority of the time. It's only 12 yards. Kicking the ball is a basic skill. Any pro should be able to hit the side netting firmly almost every time. Even better if you can hit it in the top half of the goal. You don't need such horizontal accuracy then. Most pros don't hit the ball anywhere near hard enough in pens. You are a pro it should be leathered. Then even if the keeper goes the right way and it's not accurate it still regularly goes in. With no pace unless it's side netting accurate it's less than a 50/50.

If a player didn't practice any at all, and it's the crucial pen, and he's an awkward as **** CB then yeah, there's where your 50% comes from. This happens all the time in shoot outs. His muscle memory leaves him completely and he ****s the bed.

Hit a few hundred each in training and everybody would look like Germany. Huddersfield I believe talked about practicing a **** load of pens the last few weeks. They won two in a row. The old myth you can't practice them is complete bollocks. Might as well say you can't practice anything. Can't practice darts sure you can't recreate the pressure...

You guys must have missed the second Huddersfield kick which was pretty damn tame to the bottom left (from his view) that was easily saved by Al-Habsi.

Obviously the commentators called him out on it for being a tame kick, and then immediately 1) Congratulated the third Reading player for drilling a high kick up where the spiders live and 2) Lambasted the fourth Reading player for missing on a similar kick.

Also, I am of the belief that there should be a painted line that the GK can't touch in regards to how far he can come off his line.

Its pretty stupidly subjective sometimes with how far a keeper is allowed to move up sometimes.

80% is a lot to expect, esp since most non-regular peno takers only get a go when they've just completed 120 mins of football. tough to be all le tissier about it when you're knackered

I just think it's silly to pull some round number out of your arse and declare that's what pros should be able to do. You say that even world class players don't hit 80%, so what tells you that it's a reasonable number?

I'm not sure what the actual number is- maybe 80% is reasonable to expect. But in principle, seems better to look at what the average player does. Tough to do with pens due to sample size

trophies: they're what you play for!

if anyone itt happens to be in contact with MathKev, tell him I have £40 for him from the FA Cup sweep. (He had Chelsea)

Or if you're reading this MathKev, check your PMs!

So Huddersfield o/u Sunderland's 24 pt total of this year? They going to be the DuckSauce TM worst team ever of next season?

depends, they got another hundred million quid sloshing about that they didnt have yesterday so they might bring in some people with names like silva, garcia, lopez etc