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Old 08-07-2011, 05:48 PM   #46
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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More benefit. He's getting more power when he pushes off, without actually having the weight. Also, not experiencing the fatigue in the lower legs.
Not sure what experience you have but in my own life of competing in the 400 and 800 my lower legs have never once gotten fatigued... That kind of bursting is almost all coming from your glutes and upper legs. Fatigue of lower legs is not an issue in this conversation.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:49 PM   #47
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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You can set the baseline assumptions where you wish, but until they are conclusively proven either way they are mere assumptions.
He's a white man. The burden of proof is now on you to prove there is no advantage.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:49 PM   #48
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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Not sure what experience you have but in my own life of competing in the 400 and 800 my lower legs have never once gotten fatigued... That kind of bursting is almost all coming from your glutes and upper legs. Fatigue of lower legs is not an issue in this conversation.
Literally.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:01 PM   #49
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/topli...00/detail.html

while his time isnt very far behind the best this year, theres still a lot of runners that are better than him and the best in the world usually run a lot faster than 44.61 so i wouldnt say hes an elite 400m runner
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:12 PM   #50
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

Just tracked down his 45.07 run on youtube, it's ridiculously obvious how much these things help him. He gets caught by the guy on his inside almost immediately, his start is horrendous. But then once he gets up to speed, he just pulls away. There's just no way someone can start as horribly as he did and still run that fast unless they're getting a boost, what would he run with a normal start, a 42, 43 second 400? Maybe it all balances out in the end, but it's so different from a normal runner that there's no way it should be allowed. Imagine if he was able to run the 800 without getting knocked over, he'd crush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smGf875jck
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:16 PM   #51
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

Here's him winning the 100m gold at the '08 Paralympics in Beijing



But I can't stop looking at the guy who bails halfway through, God I feel awful for him. As if all he's had to overcome isn't enough, it looks as if his prosthetic completely fails him right when he needs it the most.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:27 PM   #52
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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i'm thinking about cutting my hand off and replacing it with one of those jai alai basket glove things. then it's time for mlb open tryouts.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:29 PM   #53
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

Haters gonna hate, etc. I'm rooting for the guy to ship goldz.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:58 PM   #54
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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i'm thinking about cutting my hand off and replacing it with one of those jai alai basket glove things. then it's time for mlb open tryouts.
Just get a cannon that fires a baseball at 200 mph
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:08 PM   #55
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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Just tracked down his 45.07 run on youtube, it's ridiculously obvious how much these things help him. He gets caught by the guy on his inside almost immediately, his start is horrendous. But then once he gets up to speed, he just pulls away. There's just no way someone can start as horribly as he did and still run that fast unless they're getting a boost, what would he run with a normal start, a 42, 43 second 400?
I voted let him run, but if he starts terribly on a regular basis and still posts world-class times, it's pretty obvious he has an advantage. IMO you're not posting a wc time without a good start, middle and ending to your race.
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:42 PM   #56
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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n November 2007, German professor Gert-Peter Brüggemann began testing the artificial limbs for the IAAF. His study found that Pistorius's limbs used 25% less energy than runners with complete natural legs to run at the same speed, and that they led to less vertical motion combined with 30% less mechanical work for lifting the body. In December, Brüggemann told Die Welt newspaper that Pistorius "has considerable advantages over athletes without prosthetic limbs who were tested by us. It was more than just a few percentage points. I did not expect it to be so clear."
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http://www.iaaf.org/news/printer,newsid=42896.htmx

You guys can keep saying these things don't help because you feel bad for the guy with no legs, but he is gaining a huge advantage using these things.

Yea, he worked really hard. Tough ****. Ben Johnson worked really hard too, but he was cheating so none of his races count. Just because spring legs are harder to hide than the use of PEDs doesn't mean he's not cheating.
The evidence above was rejected by the CAS, and they opined that no - one had been able to conclusively prove that his prostheses provide an advantage over able bodied athletes.
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:44 PM   #57
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

interesting spot.

I think most of the people who are for letting him race would have a different perspective if he were one of the favorites. If this guy was posting times that were threatening a gold medal / record time, many more people would have problems with this guy racing
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:01 PM   #58
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

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interesting spot.

I think most of the people who are for letting him race would have a different perspective if he were one of the favorites. If this guy was posting times that were threatening a gold medal / record time, many more people would have problems with this guy racing
possibly but in practice it shouldnt make people think differently.
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:11 PM   #59
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smGf875jck

This is him competing against non-amputees and meeting the world qualifying standard. It appears to my naked eye he has a much greater stride turnover than his competitors.
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:29 PM   #60
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re: The Curious Case of Oscar Pistorius: Olympic-bound without any legs

Wasn't there an amputee swimmer who tried competing in a prosthesis like a dolphin tail and wasn't allowed to?
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