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Old 08-09-2010, 08:11 AM   #126
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Yeah, totally agree about Broad. He acts like such a spoilt brat he should have gotten a one match ban. He also keep appealing without looking at the umpire, despite being told not to do it on more than one occasion. Saying that, I don't like the ICC trying to clamp down on sledging etc so don't want bans dished out lightly for guys getting a bit frisky. It's just that Broad is plain annoying and it doesn't even make for good TV. If he was just giving verbals to a batsman who was giving it back then I'd support him.
What makes it worse is that his dad is a ICC match official. You'd think he of all people would be able to make sure he stops.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:21 AM   #127
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What makes it worse is that his dad is a ICC match official. You'd think he of all people would be able to make sure he stops.
Yeah. This is also another example of why I like the best players for the teams I follow to be a bit ugly. Maybe Broad wouldn't be such a prat if he didn't have chicks all over him all the time and sponsors trying to push cash into his pockets.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:22 AM   #128
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Don't know what people feel the solution for the Sheffield Shield might be ashley, not too sure of the setup you have over there, but I think they really need to slash the number of English counties. There are simply too many spaces in too many teams, allowing relatively mediocre players to play first class cricket.

Here's how I would promote excellence in performance......


If there were, say, ten counties, or regions, there would be a greater competition for places in the first class game, which would lead to a higher standard of cricket, which would be more watchable. Also because of less counties there would not need to be so much central funding to subsidise the counties just to enable them to stay afloat. Many of the counties aren't really financially viable organisations any more, and would go under anyway without the money from the ECB which it gets from Sky for broadcasting England matches.

You could then go back to a single division championship, with home and away fixtures against nine other teams, for an 18 game season. Also scrap stupid batting and bowling points, which don't achieve anything. Getting points for achieving arbitrary scores is so dependent on the pitch and the conditions, for instance, almost every team batting at Taunton always gets all the batting points, because it's usually good weather and the pitch is as flat as a pancake.

We should also scrap the stupid 40 over competition, whatever it's called this season, and replace it with the standard 50 over format.

Also, schedule the competitions so you play the 4 day cricket season, preferably when the weather is likely to be at its best, and get used to excelling at that, then have the hit and giggle stuff in separate blocks at the beginning and end of the season; start with the 50 over competition in late April/early May, get that out the way, and finish with the T20 in late August and early September. Too often now there is a 4-day game, then a trip up the motorway to a 1-dayer the next day, then back to 4-day and so on. How on earth are players supposed to get into the right frame of mind for a first class game when they're playing slog-and-run the day before, or vice versa?

I also think the T20 competition has grown to too many games, and also afaik they are always in the same geographical groups, so for instance, Kent never play Durham, or Essex never play Yorkshire. With ten teams, you draw two random groups of five, round robin home and away, top team in each group goes straight to a final.


They also need to start ignoring the idiotic Kolpak ruling and enforce a minimum number of English players in the team, preferably ten out of each starting XI, but definitely at least nine.

Also they need to get cricket back into schools, but I haven't yet got a plan for funding that though
Great post, not sure how i missed this.

IIRC they reduced the 50over game to 40overs on the hopes of a shorter game generating more interest for the audience. Although to be fair, im not sure how many people actually go to watch cricket, or go to get smashed.

T20 appears to have confused the ECB, although 20 over cricket is nothing new, at a professional level it really caught on, and the ECB must've thought "we've cracked it"! now it's a real headache as their really not sure what to do with it.

I disagree with you on the Kolpak rule, a foreign cricketer at least needs a chance of making a living.

I only left School recently (sort of, forget how fast time flies) anyway, unless you're at Boarding School or a traditional grammar school, aside from 2 games of kwik-cricket a term, you just wont play decent cricket in school.
Theres not enough interest these days, and everyone will claim to play Rugby in the hopes of impressing a girl.
Health and safety is also ****ing pathetic, and not worth the hassle for teachers (on using proper equipment).


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barring a shane warne 99 game cheat, we lose this almost all the time. Will post my thoughts on domestic cricket when i get home, its a solid topic imo.

Also, slowly beginning to love steve smith
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:23 AM   #129
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I'd say cricket is a pretty firm 2nd. It's very rare for England not to sell out. Rugby Union Internationals get big crowds but both codes are somewhat limited to just 1/2 the country.
Was talking about Cricket as a whole, not international games
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:41 AM   #130
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Was talking about Cricket as a whole, not international games
I guess it depends how you judge it but cricket is largely based on international matches, whereas football and rugby are not (well football def not and rugby less so). England may play 40 days or thereabouts of international cricket in a summer, compared to something like 9 x 2 hours in rugby.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:44 AM   #131
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Ok Cricket probably edges Rugby, but it's behind Horse Racing, not sure about motorsport.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:27 PM   #132
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I'm also surprised at how good of a commentator/ pundit Shane Warne is, most of the sky team is good, Ian Botham running on reputation however.

Shane Warne is probably the one sportsperson in the world I would most like to have half a dozen beers with. The bloke swings from complete legend, to complete imbicile at times, and his entire life-story is/would/does make a fascinating read. From the hookers to the bribery with Salim Malik, the ciggie during a test, what an absolute legend. Childhood hero growing up along with Mark Waugh, and shaking his hand and getting his autograph when I was 11 at a local Test was probably my favourite sportsperson meeting of all time.

He does a lot of work for channel 9 over here during Test Match coverage. He is a bit more clued to the modern generation then the older commentators, such as Lawry, Chappell, Greig and Benaud, a bit more appealing then O'Donnell and Taylor, and just smarter then the more recent retirees doing 9 commentary, such as Slater and Healy. Only Foxtels Brenden Julien IMO is as good.

About an in depth look at the local Australian game, anyway, Im sick and stuck at home so here goes...

Australia's main domestic scene is mainly based around the 6 states (New South Wales, Queensland, Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania). There was a small flirting with including the Australian Captial Territory (ACT) but that ended after a few years in the domestic 50 over comp.

These states play in 3 local competitions, the Sheffield Shield, which is a double round robin of 4 day games, with a 5 day final. Each state is generally allowed one player per game from overseas to play (In WA, my state, recent overseas players for the 4-day comp include Murray Goodwin and Sean Ervine, both Zimbabwean internationals) In a nutshell, the tournament is great in terms of developing local players for the Test game. However, because of the greater focus on the shorter versions of the game, this tournament is getting overlooked sadly. Talks of reducing the games are always around, and its a shame, because the long term effects of having this competitions is far outweighed by the costs (Australia is a big country) and the lack of social interest. I really dont want this to happen because of the history of the Sheffield Shield, and I already to an extent hate the commercialism attached to it (The competition went a number of years around 8 years ago of being called the Pura Milk Cup, which pissed of the traditionals, since then, its reverted back to the Shield, but Weet-Bix sponsorships and player names and numbers have adorned the creams as far as I have seen...

The next competition that came around in the 70's was obviously the limited overs comp. When I started paying attention properly, around 97 or so when I was 9ish, it was a single round robin competition, with a knockout for the top 4. It expanded around 2000 to a double round robin with a final between 1 and 2. The problem with this competition as well as the Shield, is that it is mixed together during the season. While I guess this saves costs (Queensland travel to WA for a 4 day game Sun-Wed and a Friday night D/N one day match) it obviously effects the players having to adjust to the varying competitions. This competition is also losing relevance to the sporting public for the same reasons that 50 over cricket is losing relevance, that being the 20/20 comp.

The Big Bash is has been running for around 5 years now and has expanded from 2 pools of 3, one home game each and a final, to a single round robin with finals series of two games (2 v 3 for the right to play 1). Many discussions have been had to expand the competition, but I think it is okay for now. Its run in one block for around 5 weeks or so. Its good in general, and some big stars come over to play it like a mini IPL, such as Vettori for Qld, Chris Gayle for WA and Pollard for SA.

My main issue isnt the structure of the competitions in Australia. The unfortunate fact is, with the growing global nature of sport, and the fact that I have access to all these 20/20 games in the IPL, English 20/20 and the various World 20's that have been held in recent times, is that domestic sport is fast becoming irrelevant. As such, the top dogs are going to over-hype the Big Bash (The only non-top level cricket that gets any crowds or real media attention) This is going to kill the domestic game the same way the 50-over comp nearly killed the Shield for a while...

How to combat this, well, I dont really know. I think provided that Cricket Australia is keeping money aside to run the Shield at a loss thats okay. But unfortuantely, I can see them reducing the competition which would suck balls. They are going to overload, and kill as a novelty 20/20, and after that Im not sure exactly where cricket is going to go in some of the smaller cricketing areas such as New Zealand and Australia, where the sporting market is so over-satured with somewhat bandwagon fans jumping from one train to the next. Its was footy for a while when the Sydney Swans and Brisbane teams did well, soccer/football when we made the last 16 of the World Cup and when my team signed Robbie Fowler, our attendence for the first game, usually an average of 9k, was 16k. Aussies generally love a bandwagon, and its going to be tought to see how we can jump back on cricket.

The Ashes will certainly help. It will get big crowds for almost all the matches, but its just such a shame the next time when say, New Zealand and Bangladesh tour we just arent going to really give a ****...
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:40 PM   #133
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Thanks,

So you don't have league tables?
It's knock-out format only, or you also have a running league?

Love the "big bash" naming, only Aus could do that.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:19 PM   #134
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Sheffield Shield is a double round robin league (10 matches per team) 4 day comp. The final is contested by the top 2 teams with the number 1 team being at home over 5 days like a Test. However, if the match ends in a draw, the 1 team wins, so the home team sets up a road of a pitch, makes 700 and wins the Shield.

50 over Cup (Ford Ranger Cup) is the same, with the top two teams having a final. The match itself is more exciting for obvious reasons in that a lot less draws happen in the 50 over comp then the 4 day games...

The KFC Big Bash (lol sponsorships) is a single round robin. So Leagues and finals are run in all competitions, which seems the be the Australian way, a league then a finals series. It happens in out footy, rugby league and union, and the soccer/football. Its always more important to win the Grand Final then the league before the finals..
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Nice post about Aussie cricket - but I saw you mentioned commentators without mentioning Ian Smith, he's a legend! FWIW two of the smartest commentors/experts imo are Dermot Reeve (not seen since getting banned or something for being stoned on air, damn shame) and Simon Hughes.
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Nice post about Aussie cricket - but I saw you mentioned commentators without mentioning Ian Smith, he's a legend! FWIW two of the smartest commentors/experts imo are Dermot Reeve (not seen since getting banned or something for being stoned on air, damn shame) and Simon Hughes.
Dermot Reeve got sacked for referring to Hashim Amla as "the terrorist" live on air. Can't see him ever getting work again.
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Dermot Reeve got sacked for referring to Hashim Amla as "the terrorist" live on air. Can't see him ever getting work again.
Dean Jones did the same thing IIRC...

Im assuming Ian Smith is a British commentator, as I havent really seen many of your commentators unless they do work in Australia...
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Dean Jones did the same thing IIRC...

Im assuming Ian Smith is a British commentator, as I havent really seen many of your commentators unless they do work in Australia...
Oh maybe I'm thinking of Dean Jones aswell then. Can't be two that have done it surely. I think Ian Smith is a New Zealander right?
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Oh maybe I'm thinking of Dean Jones aswell then. Can't be two that have done it surely. I think Ian Smith is a New Zealander right?
Yes, but he commentates for Oz TV and has some good banter going with Ian Grieg. In fact, I think he covers Rugby Union in NZ too (else someone else has a spookily similar voice).

I think you may be thinking of Dean Jones. I remember hearing about Reeve getting his contract terminated, and a mention of him doing a quick Imran Khan impression on air that I vaguely remembered. It's wasn't really that surprising. When Watwickshire were at their peak, Reeze, Smith and few others had a real drug snorting playboy reputation on the county circuit. They won just about everything is site though.

Edit: have I got it wrong about Ian Smith working in Oz? I've watched the Channel Nine coverage that Sky take for years and I'm sure he's often on there unless I'm going mad.
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maybe only vs the kiwis. We get the likes of holding vs the windies so maybe thats it...
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Any thoughts on the new one-day format being proposed by Cricket Australia?

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/co...ry/472233.html

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- 12 players (11 bat, 11 field)
- 45 overs
- two innings (1st innings 20 overs, 2nd innings 25 overs)
- 10 wickets have to last over both innings
- two balls in play (one for each end)
- no powerplays — field restrictions change at specific times during the game
- max. 12 overs per bowler
- max. 2 bouncers per over
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Based just on your cliffs, I wouldn't be a fan of that. I can understand the need for some sort of change if attendances have fallen, which I'm sure is the case as it is here, but that just seems too many all at once.

The 12 players thing has sort of been tried a few years ago when they trialled having a substitute but it didn't really add anything to the game and wasn't particularly interesting. What's the idea behind a different ball for each end? Can't really see the benefit of that over the current system of changing the ball after 35 overs.

I think having 2 innings could be quite interesting though. I think one of the problems in one day cricket sometimes is it can be pretty obvious who's going to win a long time before the end and having 2 innings could prevent that from happening more and keep the game more interesting. I don't think 1 being 20 overs and the 2nd being 25 overs makes much sense though. It must be better for both innings to be same length.

When are they thinking of bringing in these changes? Start of next season?
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These rule changes are great.

Having two balls is going to keep the ball newer which will mean more wickets and higher strike rates. It will deal with the problem of boring middle overs, in addition there is a second power play in the second innings.

12 overs per bowler is a good change. Teams will go to 4 bowlers, or 4 + 1 part timer as a result of this. So you can play 7 batsmen and a keeper after taking the sub. With the extra two batsmen teams will be in the game longer, as even after being 6 wickets down teams will still have two legit bats. So there will be fewer games over after early wickets, and teams will be able to go on the attack earlier in the innings.
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corkies still got it. 39 and managed to bounce out kieran pollard in the english 20:20 final. not watching pictures but apparently he absolutely nailed him through the grill of the helmet.
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very meh to aus rule changes....
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corkies still got it. 39 and managed to bounce out kieran pollard in the english 20:20 final. not watching pictures but apparently he absolutely nailed him through the grill of the helmet.
His eye was huge in less than 1 minute. Went straight to hospital.
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These rule changes are great.

Having two balls is going to keep the ball newer which will mean more wickets and higher strike rates. It will deal with the problem of boring middle overs, in addition there is a second power play in the second innings.

12 overs per bowler is a good change. Teams will go to 4 bowlers, or 4 + 1 part timer as a result of this. So you can play 7 batsmen and a keeper after taking the sub. With the extra two batsmen teams will be in the game longer, as even after being 6 wickets down teams will still have two legit bats. So there will be fewer games over after early wickets, and teams will be able to go on the attack earlier in the innings.
Some things look OK I guess, but what if side 1 scores loads in the first mini-innings and then the other team finish theirs at 30-9?
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lol some sri lankan bowler screwed sehwag out of a century by intentionally bowling a no ball when he was on 99 and the score was tied. He hit it for a six but it didn't count.
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LOL Swann and his cats
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lol some sri lankan bowler screwed sehwag out of a century by intentionally bowling a no ball when he was on 99 and the score was tied. He hit it for a six but it didn't count.
Is this common? This is one of the biggest douche moves I've ever heard of in any sport. Denying someone a milestone just for the hell of it is completely unsportsmanlike.
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