Not saying he was but just more pointing to the luck of the guy and his ultimate destiny.

A lot of people are panning Paine for that review and while it was a bad review and was obviously pitching outside the line I still don't think it was that bad to use a review. Like obviously the worst case scenario happened and a out lbw was given not out a few balls later and they had no reviews left, but that seemed a unlikely outcome given how quickly it was gonna end from there either way. Imagine if it was pitching in line and Paine didn't review and the match ended with Australia still having a review? It's like when the 10th wicket goes down LBW, the batsman should just review it, except the innings went on just long enough for Aus to be punished in the worst way.

When you have only one review left, you've got to be damned well sure that it's out.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that was in the top 3 of worst reviews in history. The ball pitched 4 inches outside leg.

GTO umpire move would have been to give any appeal out since England still had a review and Australia didn't.

Give everything out and you guarantee that the correct decision will be made (even if your decision has to be overturned).

I remember England reviewing an LBW shout where the batsman played a forward defense and it came off the middle of the bat.

In the context of the match though...

That was a terrible review. Paine completely ****ed it up.

Ofc, both sides had completely lost the plot by that point.

I think it was revealing in the immediate post match interview that Stokes said that he had no doubts about what to do when there was 70-60-50 needed, but thought about slowing down when it got to 20, Ofc, also, he was emotionally drained.

Obviously no need to force on the not given out LBW with a 1 run defecit. But they're pro sports ppls, so what can you expect?

lol bro this is fine advice if its a judgment call like was it going to hit the stumps or not but in this case the ball literally pitched WAY outside leg stump and it was super obv

Yeah I can see that. I mean it was pitching well outside the line of leg stump and was obvious on first viewing but obv Paine wasn't sure

Paine wasn't sure? Paine couldn't see. He was the wicket keeper standing behind the batsman. Australia had enough men around the bat to tell him it wasn't worth reviewing. It was a collective failure. At least they realise and are embarrassed by it and aren't crying about the one that was actually LBW.

this.

ok maybe it was a bad take

just tried to find some empathy for the guy

It's possible that Sir Ian did some illegal drugs at some point.

I suppose we should be very grateful that his ancestors weren't criminals

At the time I was thinking it was very poor desperation call because it gave Stokes a bit of a breather.

Amazing what it actually cost.

Wow

How lucky and great is Stokes

Remember he is actually a kiwi

Yeah there is no sugarcoating it. It was a very bad review. Federer bad.

Again like I said for a review I think it was for the 1st test that was going down leg that if Paine had better footwork (or indeed instinct) about where the ball was heading Australia wouldn't be in the position it was blowing that review.

Back to reality though,
Ok. We’ve beaten the Aussies, but we were supposed to in this test with Steve Smith out. We only just won and Smith is back for Old Trafford. Anderson will be back, presumably for Woakes, which means our batting is weaker and the top 7 cannot fail again. So it’s all down to how Australia recover mentally from Headingley.
A return of Starc would seem to be a no brainer as he’s not scarred by that run chase.

What's England's lineup for Old Trafford? I was presuming Anderson would come in for Leach, because of the batting issue you mention but with no Moeen perhaps you're right. I'd bring in Ballance and Pope dropping two out of Roy/Denly/Buttler.

I actually agree with Donk's take. The Paine review was fine. With 2 runs to get, what is the probablity that the umpire says not out to something that was out? I am guessing very very low.

What is the probability in Paine's mind that the one pitching outside leg was out? I am guessing very very low as well, but higher than the first case. And that's simply because he is the keeper and can't really see. It needed one of the others to put their neck on the line and basically scream "DON'T REVIEW". Nobody was willing to do that because they all had that maybe 1% doubt and the repercussions if it was actually out would have been huge.

I would expect to see:

Burns
Denly
Root
Pope
Stokes
Roy
Bairstow
Archer
Broad
Leach
Anderson

we just need to not bat like absolute morons

the aussies cant put up good run totals. dont care how good the cheater's form is, he's not going to put up a hundred every time. and most of the rest of them are bad

all we need to do is not get ourselves out, bat for a long time, hand the ball to jofra and co, win. they cant handle our bowlers

no more lazy swings at tripe pitched miles outside off stump. we should have four or five of those sorts of donkey shots per innings not four or five per hour like we've been doing

think i'd rather ditch roy than buttler

My reasoning over Roy and Buttler is that they have both failed, but at least Roy failed in a position that he doesn't normally play in red ball and probably deserves a chance in a more familiar role.

Boids: anti-monarchical, but having a few servants around the old pile is a necessity.