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04-09-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Poor kids from Houston or Jacksonville obviously have massive advantages in life over poor kids from Chicago or Fort Wayne.
We concede that greater Houstonian has more natural talent than his counterpart in Pontiac. Either player has a better chance at making the NFL at the University of Illinois than South Alabama. So with camps a few more projects would make an NFL roster than without.

I think the real reason is that the season is too long and the time demands placed on athletes, coaches, and staff is just insane. But that should be addressed directly and not through piecemeal limitations. It would have been far easier to say "schools are limited to ONE out of state camp per year."
04-10-2016 , 12:07 AM
yup


still waiting for any sort of actual defense of this decision
04-10-2016 , 12:11 AM
You seem perturbed
04-10-2016 , 12:12 AM
yup. and?
04-10-2016 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
So with camps a few more projects would make an NFL roster than without.
How do you figure?

The number of kids that will make the NFL is constant. For every kid that comes from a camp to make the NFL, there is a kid from somewhere else that would have gotten that roster spot that will lose out. There are no net opportunities created.

If you think that camp kids are somehow more deserving, then explain. The camps take place in recruiting hotbeds, therefore kids that go to them already have advantages in recruiting. They are already being scouted more heavily (even if only due indirectly to their teammates being scouted), playing with better quality teammates and opponents, presumably getting better coaching, having better access to regional camps that tend to take place in the south, and several other factors. It's the kids from the north that would otherwise get these scholarships that are at the disadvantage because they won't have access to these camps, and don't have access to being recruited in general as heavily as the southern kids.
04-10-2016 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
How do you figure?

The number of kids that will make the NFL is constant. For every kid that comes from a camp to make the NFL, there is a kid from somewhere else that would have gotten that roster spot that will lose out. There are no net opportunities created.

If you think that camp kids are somehow more deserving, then explain. The camps take place in recruiting hotbeds, therefore kids that go to them already have advantages in recruiting. They are already being scouted more heavily (even if only due indirectly to their teammates being scouted), playing with better quality teammates and opponents, presumably getting better coaching, having better access to regional camps that tend to take place in the south, and several other factors. It's the kids from the north that would otherwise get these scholarships that are at the disadvantage because they won't have access to these camps, and don't have access to being recruited in general as heavily as the southern kids.
I hypothesized that the 3* kid from rural south has greater NFL potential than his urban rust belt counterpart. This is because he didn't have access to S&C nutritional processes that Nebraska provides a lot better than South Alabama. So a satellite camp provides a large pool of SEC rejects to mine for diamonds in the rough. Hard to imagine there are that many hidden gems in BUG country because the high schools are so well known and they have other sports to judge athletic ability.

I want to emphasize this had been going on a while and the schools were cool about it. It's only because Jimmy at Michigan rubbed his camps in everyone's face that the Southern schools got mad and forced the NCAA's hand.
04-12-2016 , 08:26 AM
Mike and mike on ESPN were just absolutely going off on the ncca and Mark Emmert this morning. They invited him to call the show immediately and explain himself and give him the floor to explain who this rule benefits. They were just ripping him to shreds. It was very entertaining, and I don't usually listen to mike and mike. They made excellent points. How the NCAA made this ruling so quickly and effective immediately is mind boggling yet it takes them like a decade to decide the fate of some schools alleged violations.

I mean it makes sense, the NCAA is supposed be looking out for the "student athletes" and this rule does the complete opposite of that. If a kid can't afford to go up to a camp at Ohio St then he might lose out on an opportunity to be seen by not only Ohio St coaches but other coaches from other schools that may be there. Now that kid will have to go whatever camp is nearby or where his family can afford to take him. ****ing **** doesn't make sense. If Harbaugh wants to have a camp down here in Alabama then let him as long as Gus Malzhan can have a camp up in Ann Arbor.

Last edited by AUGUY55; 04-12-2016 at 08:39 AM.
04-12-2016 , 10:33 AM
The other crazy thing the NCAA did yesterday was to now allow unlimited texting of recruits. This is absolutely asinine. Having coached a youth non-revenue sport for the past 12 years I can't imagine the pressure this will put on the kids. Even in our sport the players probably spent 2 hours a night texting, emailing, then calling college coaches during the open period. With coaches now allowed unlimited text contact it behooves them to monopolize the players time so others can't do the same. The NCAA is HORRIFIC
04-12-2016 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox
It's just like any other NCAA rule. It's legal "because they say so" and is enforced by the usual variety of sanctions, from nothing to a slap on the wrist to Morehead State taking it fully in the ass.

I don't think anyone has really offered any particular justification* and in that sense it's a kind of a good thing -- it just further exposes the extent to which the NCAA and the P5 conferences have become corrupt, money-obsessed organizations.

It's 100% LOLNCAA.

* other than the SEC and ACC wanting to "protect their turf".
I'm rooting hard for B1G schools etc to defy the rule and try to watch the NCAA enforce it. Of course that'd never happen.
04-12-2016 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
There are no net opportunities created.
I'd just like to point out what a bizzaro world the NCAA has created where we consider ~4.4B (approx) worth of wealth redistribution from NCAA Football and Basketball athletes* to be such wonderful opportunities.

You're right to be cynical but it's kind of ridiculous to be cynical because this rule will distort student athlete scholarship distribution but have no effect on net opportunities. It's like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

*assuming NFL/NBA player revenue distribution percentages
04-12-2016 , 04:41 PM
It's hilarious to see Michigan fans (or fan) acting as if this is some great injustice when it's really an itty bitty injustice in a system built on massive injustice. It's like complaining that you make the serfs work on their birthday too.
04-13-2016 , 02:25 PM
Baylor.

Jesus Christ.
04-14-2016 , 12:26 AM
Baylor needs Jesus, y'all
04-14-2016 , 12:39 AM
Someone at Baylor attacked a woman? Is that what's going on?
04-14-2016 , 09:56 AM
From OTL

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Though required by federal law to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students, Baylor University did not investigate a report against two football players for more than two years, Outside the Lines has learned
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...tball-players/
04-14-2016 , 10:02 AM
Also, this. Which looks like a separate incident

http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/13/baylor...sted-for-rape/
04-14-2016 , 12:13 PM
04-14-2016 , 07:31 PM
Michigan ran over a running back with a forklift at practice today evidently.
04-14-2016 , 07:57 PM
WHO HAS IT BETTER???!!?
04-14-2016 , 08:00 PM
Alabama
Ohio State
Florida State
LSU

Oh, that was rhetorical 🤗
04-14-2016 , 08:01 PM
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04-14-2016 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
All the crying over the satellites and "what about the kids" is pretty lol. Do you think these scholarships are created out of thin air? You realize that when a kid from Prattville gets an opportunity to go to Michigan instead of South Alabama it means that a kid in Detroit has a scholarship taken away right?

It's a zero sum game. Satellite camps don't create more opportunites. They just move them around. There are lots of arguments for the camps, but they are mostly based on making recruiting better and more efficient and increasing the arms race and parity in CFB.

I guess you can argue that there aren't enough quality football camps for kids to go to and this would create more options and experiences for kids and that's a good thing, but that's pretty thin IMO. Anything Michigan was going to provide for kids in Prattville, they can provide to kids in their own area. The only thing to cry about is the fact that Prattville kids are better.
A South Alabama shoutout in the hoooooouuuuuuussse!
04-14-2016 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
Michigan ran over a running back with a forklift at practice today evidently.
Wrong as usual
04-15-2016 , 08:57 AM
Which part is untrue
04-15-2016 , 10:06 AM
It's gonna be nittery:

"Michigan didn't hit him, a forklift operator working for a company that contracts with the university hit him"

"He wasn't run over but just hit"

"It was track practice not football practice"

      
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