Yeah they 100% would have taken Luck over Newton. I think most people are really underestimating the amount of elite that these defenses will have. Like the 2011 LSU defense will be the ****tiest defense by a decent margin unless someone ****s this up royally. These are essentially going to be college all star teams that will have time to practice and all that. There's a reason why VY and Tebow aren't going to be elite NFL qbs and it is that they can no longer outphysical/outspeed the defenses. Granted, an NFL defense will obviously be better than our college all star teams but there have been plenty of rookies in the past 10 years who made an all pro team in their first year. This is why Luck and Newton are much better picks than VY and Tebow. And Luck is a better pick than Newton because of longevity. He had two years of ultra elite and one year of respectable play. Newton had one year of ultra elite and a laptop he stole from a dorm.

I'm torn on this. Part of me thinks I don't see why we should punish Cam for having only one season when he was just worlds above everyone else on the field at all times. The other part, the one that ranked VY above him, gave more credit to VY for being dominant for a longer amount of time even though Cam at his peak was > Vince.

I agree with this but I think 4 years of Luck>2 years of Cam even if we assume they stay their last years of eligibility. I assume you don't get Cam as a college freshman thru Blinn then Auburn, right?

Tebow and Cam in the sec have played against a dozen better defenses than luck has faced.

I don't think you are supposed to be punishing Cam.

Cam > VY in college.

11 SEC and... Florida State and... not Oregon? Can't be Oregon ldo

heh

Did Auburn play LOLClempson that year?

From what I understand you are just getting the player for a one year season or some type of one time tournament. In that type of format I think Cam and Luck are pretty equal. If you make it a 4 year deal where you get the guy as a freshmen then yeah Luck >>>>>> Cam because Cam took about 3 years to even get his head on straight.

We're supposed to project Cam's career. He's going to come into our team and start from day 1.

He was very highly recruited then got stuck behind Tebow his freshman year at Florida. Between that and the laptop incident, he transferred to a JUCO and won a national championship.

His junior year, he stepped onto the field and dominated from day 1 as a first-time FBS starter. That is unprecedented. He didn't get to sit behind someone for two or three years and learn the ropes of the offense.

He went from school to school to school and once he finally got his chance on the big stage, he dominated at an insane level. He did that because he is an elite talent. He wasn't going against lolPac10 defenses, he was facing some of the best defenses in the country week in and week out. He's a special football player and he will get two extra years to show that in this hypothetical.

Isnt it a bad argument saying Cam was stuck behind the guy taken after him?

Not really, some coaches are wrong and some guys perform better when given the reins. In addition it would have been ridiculous to ever bench Tebow in Florida.

Cam was a true sophomore behind Tebow in UF's national championship run. One of the reasons why Cam transferred was because Tebow said he was coming back (and obviously he's not going to take Tebow's job after all the **** Tim did... (I know Tim didn't announce till after the NC, but there were stories that Cam knew). With the laptop incident and another highly recruited recruit (John Brantley) there, Cam decided to transfer. He had the raw tools (anyone could see that) and he trucked mother****ers early on...but he lacked any throwing ability. I think that year in juco allowed him to develop alot better.

not when Tebow had already been in the system for a year and performed well as a freshman... no one was winning that job over Tebow, even if they were better than him

Wow, shocked to see Tebow really going that high. Against your avg. college defenses sure, but this draft is going to be the equivalent of NFL defenses since almost every spot will be a high draft pick. Tebow does not do well here imo.

This is a pretty disingenuous argument. I mean yeah he was awesome as a redshirt junior but you don't just get to extrapolate backwards to seasons where he was medically redshirting, stealing laptops, cheating in classes, then playing against defenses that I'm sure were worse than the Pac10 in the NCJAA.

I'm not sure where your disagreement is. I'm not contending that he's elite from day 1.. he probably has a progression similar to VY. But, all the other stuff is just BS that doesn't matter on the field. This draft will be totally lame if we're holding off-field stuff against guys.