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Old 09-16-2007, 11:04 AM   #1
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Chuck Pagano is a bad coach and should feel bad, but Dan Quinn blew the Super Bowl

Here's the last line from the box score of yesterday's Loiusville - Kentucky game.

UK TD 0:28
STEVE JOHNSON 57 YD PASS FROM ANDRE' WOODSON
(LONES SEIBER KICK)
Drive info: 8 plays, 74 yards.
UL 34 UK 40
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:19 AM   #2
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That was unbelievably stupid. I remember Bobby Bowden kicking a PAT up 12 w/ ~8-10 minutes left vs. Miami a few years ago.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:21 AM   #3
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Here's the last line from the box score of yesterday's Loiusville - Kentucky game.

UK TD 0:28
STEVE JOHNSON 57 YD PASS FROM ANDRE' WOODSON
(LONES SEIBER KICK)
Drive info: 8 plays, 74 yards.
UL 34 UK 40
That is unbelievable. How could you possibly be considered a good coach if you make mistakes that are so obvious? WTF!

Also, bump for Andy Reid on monday.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:34 AM   #4
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Re: Post here when coaches do something obviously stupid

X-posted from the Texas thread...

Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:42 AM   #5
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Does it have to be football?

Philadelphia - Top of 8th Score 2-2
Tom Glavine pitching for New York
A Nunez singled to right.
J Moyer bunt popped into double play, third to second, A Nunez doubled off first.
[skipping rest of top of 8th]...

New York - Bottom of 8th Score 2-2
J.C. Romero pitching for Philadelphia
J Romero relieved J Moyer.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:47 AM   #6
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haha, standard charlie manuel. Thats like a good managerial decision from manuel even.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:02 PM   #7
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I think this needs to be clarified. He went for 2 and didn't get it, thereby leaving his team up 11, instead of 12 after a normal PAT.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:19 PM   #8
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I would say like 5-10 minutes left in the game is the cutoff for stuff like this. Any more time left and I don't think you can automatically call any 2pt-conversion/PAT decision stupid. In college I would probably go for 2 every time, so that covers any excuse for a seemingly stupid 2pt-try. With 9 or 10+ minutes left in the game, too much can happen to just automatically for 2 based on game situation, imo.

But yeah, with 5 minutes to go, thats pretty dumb. WAY worse with like 38 seconds to go in the UK situation.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:19 PM   #9
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I think this needs to be clarified. He went for 2 and didn't get it, thereby leaving his team up 11, instead of 12 after a normal PAT.
Then this is totally standard and correct.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:21 PM   #10
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I think this needs to be clarified. He went for 2 and didn't get it, thereby leaving his team up 11, instead of 12 after a normal PAT.
Then this is totally standard and correct.
level? Or misread?
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:28 PM   #11
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I think this needs to be clarified. He went for 2 and didn't get it, thereby leaving his team up 11, instead of 12 after a normal PAT.
Then this is totally standard and correct.
level? Or misread?
Level I hope.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:28 PM   #12
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Don't know, but I don't think leaving your team up by a TD, 2pt conversion, and then a FG to tie is ever the correct play with that much time left. Probably want to be up at least 2 TDs there...
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:29 PM   #13
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Oklahoma State at Troy...

2nd quarter, Troy up 17. Troy has the ball, 4th and 10 inside their own 30, and runs a fake punt. It seemed like they were trying to let OSU back in the game.

They failed.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:33 PM   #14
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How about the entire coaching staff for UofL. They made some of the worst play calls last night.

UK deserved to win that game. It's hard for me to say that since I'm an UofL fan.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:38 PM   #15
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Mack Brown went for 2 after scoring with 5 minutes left against UCF to go ahead by 11.
I think this needs to be clarified. He went for 2 and didn't get it, thereby leaving his team up 11, instead of 12 after a normal PAT.
Then this is totally standard and correct.
level? Or misread?
Well, it wasn't a level, so either misread or I am retarded. He is up by 11 after the score? or he would be up by 11 after the PAT? 11 is better than 10, but 12 is WAY better than 11, right?

Maybe I am retarded.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:45 PM   #16
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They were up by 11. Instead of taking the 99% chance of going ahead by 12, they went for 2 to go up by 13. Mack Brown=not smart.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:47 PM   #17
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They were up by 11. Instead of taking the 99% chance of going ahead by 12, they went for 2 to go up by 13. Mack Brown=not smart.
Ok, yeah, thats not what I thought was going on. I'm really not retarded, I just cant read.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:53 PM   #18
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There will be literally dozens of terrible punts on like 4th and 3 from the 41 today, so rather than bump the thread each time, I'll just say that the average football coach is remarkably incompetent at a fairly significant part of his job and that bothers me.
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:57 PM   #19
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MNF. Wash up 10-6 and threatening inside the 10 yardline. Andy Reid has the choice of accepting a penalty and making it 3rd and 7 or declining and making it 4th and 2. He accepts. Why the F would he accept when their aim at this point is to hold Wash to a field goal?
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:23 PM   #20
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Cubs vs. Reds

Bottom 9th, Cubs just tied the game, have a runner on 3rd, no outs. Reds intentionally walk Daryle Ward then DON'T intentionally walk DeRosa to load the bases and setup a force at home. Because that double play will be beneficial, you know.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:28 PM   #21
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MNF. Wash up 10-6 and threatening inside the 10 yardline. Andy Reid has the choice of accepting a penalty and making it 3rd and 7 or declining and making it 4th and 2. He accepts. Why the F would he accept when their aim at this point is to hold Wash to a field goal?
you can't decline false starts
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:34 PM   #22
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Ok, this didn't happen recently but I'm watching the Eagles game and it reminded me of something. When a team is down by 15, and there is, say, 8 or 9 minutes left in the game, and they score a TD. You should ALWAYS go for 2, right? Time after time I see the coaches kick the one, to put themselves down by 8, with the plan (apparently) to go for 2 if and when they score again. Doesn't this seem like totally irrational decision based on the fear of "hopelessness" or whatever if you go for it and fail? It makes no sense. Waiting until the second TD, pinning all your hopes on that, has to be worse than trying, failing, and knowing that you now need to score two more times.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:35 PM   #23
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If there are < 10 mins left, then yes, go for 2. Of course.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:37 PM   #24
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If there are < 10 mins left, then yes, go for 2. Of course.
But they don't, they almost always wait to go for two on the second TD. At least thats my recollection, possibly confirmation bias.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:37 PM   #25
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SF 17 STL 16 4th Quarter: clock stopped at 1:04 after Isaac Bruce ran OB.

4-3-SF 38 (1:04) 14-J.Wilkins 56 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-89-D.Looker.

Trying to convert a 4th & 3 has to be a much higher percentage play than kicking a game winning 56 yarder.
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