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07-09-2011 , 04:32 AM
Games vs other BCS conferences in the OOC schedule

 Big TenSECPac 12Big 12ACCBig East Notre Dame
Big Tenx15131113
SEC1x1143100
Pac 1251x311112
Big 12113x3190
ACC3413x5163
Big East13115x112

Big Ten should really try to play more Big East schools so we look better in the non-conference. Even LOLRichRod managed to beat Connecticut last year.
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07-09-2011 , 10:47 AM
Which one is the Big Ten and which one is the Big 12?
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07-09-2011 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
further explanation please
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07-09-2011 , 12:09 PM
whats the one Big Ten - SEC game?
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07-09-2011 , 12:18 PM
research confirms Alabama at Penn State
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07-09-2011 , 12:28 PM
Not a believer in your conspiracies, thanks tho
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07-09-2011 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Velocity
Games vs other BCS conferences in the OOC schedule

 Big TenSECPac 12Big 12ACCBig East Notre Dame
Big Tenx15131113
SEC1x1143100
Pac 1251x311112
Big 12113x3190
ACC3413x5163
Big East13115x112

Big Ten should really try to play more Big East schools so we look better in the non-conference. Even LOLRichRod managed to beat Connecticut last year.
The SEC has 3 or 4 locked in rivalries with the ACC in Ga Tech, FSU, and Clemson. So they only went out of there way to schedule the Big East.
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07-09-2011 , 07:34 PM
But SEC v. Big...10? will have lots of bowl matchups every year. Wouldn't want to make those wippings anticlimactic.
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07-09-2011 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
I still can't get over how awful the division names are.

But they pretty much promised to change them after this year right?
I was hoping Penn State would be in the Legends division:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwq5PA03cjM
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07-12-2011 , 02:38 AM
Paterno wins Paterno trophy, one time dealer!
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07-13-2011 , 09:00 PM
Oh christ I was obviously aware that Knebby was making the leap but I didn't think of the consequences of having them tardbagging this thread up all year.

Spoiler:
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07-14-2011 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ajohnson16
Oh christ I was obviously aware that Knebby was making the leap but I didn't think of the consequences of having them tardbagging this thread up all year.
This thread will have TC, Greear, MT2R among others and you're worried about us tarding it up?
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07-14-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
This thread will have TC, Greear, MT2R among others and you're worried about us tarding it up?
A man can only take so much. TC is fun to trollolol, MT2R is just scraight crazy and GREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR (nuff said).

I are excited for foozball season though. Can't wait to dominate Iowa City on a crisp fall Caturday!
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07-14-2011 , 07:55 PM
anyone wanting tickets to Illinois games home or away, let me know
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07-14-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
further explanation please
not a conspiracy

natural human bias were officials come into games perceiving one team as the better quality and it effects the calls on the field from time-to-time. As you know from your run-ins against Texas, the breaks are not 50-50. At least you waited until the replay era to join the fun. Ask Penn State how they've done with the breaks. Nebraska will get the short end for awhile. Officials are only human.
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07-14-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Loretta8
research confirms Alabama at Penn State
isn't this neutral site?
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07-14-2011 , 09:16 PM
No. Home and home series. This one is at Penn State.
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07-14-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
not a conspiracy

natural human bias were officials come into games perceiving one team as the better quality and it effects the calls on the field from time-to-time. As you know from your run-ins against Texas, the breaks are not 50-50. At least you waited until the replay era to join the fun. Ask Penn State how they've done with the breaks. Nebraska will get the short end for awhile. Officials are only human.
Have you read Scorecasting? There was a great article about how home field advantage was, and a little bit was due to travel, and a LOT was due to officials being biased to favor home teams. It's super hard to go against the crowd (you question yourself), lots of studies prove this. They did some things where they showed plays without crowd noise and with it, and officials tended to favor what the crowd wanted, even when it was just a study with no game on the line.

Officials accounted for almost all of the home field advantage, it was pretty crazy. I'd imagine that the exact type of thing exists for teams they perceive as being good. It's not a conspiracy, it's human nature and tough to be objective, even when you are trying to be.
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07-15-2011 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Have you read Scorecasting? There was a great article about how home field advantage was, and a little bit was due to travel, and a LOT was due to officials being biased to favor home teams. It's super hard to go against the crowd (you question yourself), lots of studies prove this. They did some things where they showed plays without crowd noise and with it, and officials tended to favor what the crowd wanted, even when it was just a study with no game on the line.
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What if the official's hometown is the same as the home field? This would never be allowed right? Or would it cancel out to neutral
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07-15-2011 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Have you read Scorecasting? There was a great article about how home field advantage was, and a little bit was due to travel, and a LOT was due to officials being biased to favor home teams. It's super hard to go against the crowd (you question yourself), lots of studies prove this. They did some things where they showed plays without crowd noise and with it, and officials tended to favor what the crowd wanted, even when it was just a study with no game on the line.

Officials accounted for almost all of the home field advantage, it was pretty crazy. I'd imagine that the exact type of thing exists for teams they perceive as being good. It's not a conspiracy, it's human nature and tough to be objective, even when you are trying to be.
I did read scorecasting... it's good.

I'm sure David Stern would deny all of this.
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07-15-2011 , 03:58 AM
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What if the official's hometown is the same as the home field? This would never be allowed right? Or would it cancel out to neutral
have you gone to many high school bball games? That situation happens and it really, really, really sucks to be the road team.
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07-15-2011 , 04:02 AM
sometimes you even forget to conceal it:

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07-15-2011 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
What if the official's hometown is the same as the home field? This would never be allowed right? Or would it cancel out to neutral
Probably not. It's more the affect that people hate to go against crowds or do things that would make them stand out. They do experiments where they show some color on the screen real fast (forget the exact one, something similar). They have a room full of people who are in on it and one real person they are testing. They have almost everyone give the wrong answer on purpose. The test subject will almost always just agree with what everyone else said in the study. If they let them go first, they a lot of times choose correctly, then they let them change their mind, and they'll second guess themselves.

Same idea with the crowd in games. You want to go along with the crowd. A lot of times the biases happen by giving the benefit of the doubt to the away team on insignificant calls rather than the big ones. For example, in baseball, the home team's strike zone shrinks a ton on a 3-2 count, but the away team's strike zone grows. But in non-important counts, the strike zone is about the same. Home field advantage also shrunk a ton once replay was introduced since there are less important calls in football to make with bias. I think fumble recoveries went by a huge margin to the home team before replay, and after it's 50-50.

Some of the smaller schools that don't have good fan support will get less of this, and if the visiting fans bring a ton of people, I'd imagine it could even go the other way (you'll get to experience that at your first Northwestern home game).

The theory that the better perceived team gets the breaks isn't covered, but it's a similar effect. If you have a preconceived notion that one team is better, you'll tend to give them the benefit of the doubt since you don't want to be the person who stands out against them. Hometown really wouldn't be a factor as directly, although it's possible that the pressure of returning home after the game might be an issue.
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07-15-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins

If you have a preconceived notion that one team is better, you'll tend to give them the benefit of the doubt since you don't want to be the person who stands out against them.
I view this as a huge issue in basketball.
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07-15-2011 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Mom
I view this as a huge issue in basketball.
really big at the player level

It's not like Jordan played with the same calls as everyone else
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