I was talking about the draft. So were you. You just made the draft about sortbyconfirmedkills, ignore all ancillary stuff. At least now you are clearly stating that OJ is still the clear #1. You didn't back in the old thread.

Sharper is heinous and it's disgusting to think that people like him exist (first of all he's a tall handsome rich black dude. Can't he get laid for free!?) but I'd set the number really high for drugged/date rapes that would equal the OJ murders (if that's what you're specifically talking about - where you account for it being a knifing of the mother of his 2 kids). I really have no idea what I'd set the number at. The scary thing is when you hear about rich/high profile guys like him and Cosby just "allegedly" raping dozens of women with little care, you can safely assume there are others doing the same thing. I'm almost certain Sharper knows other guys specifically who are doing what he did.

The thing about rape is that it's not always about sex, oftentimes it's about power or control. The fact that he could get laid whenever he wanted might have actually contributed to what he did in some way. A sick sort of wanting what you can't have.


Wasn't Sharper part of a group that did this, hence the "She's on that potion" texts and all that?

Was reading about this case and I agree.

You have 4 people at the scene right? With one of them the deceased, no one is blaming Ahern and he is the only one who seemingly has something to lose by doing this. not that life in prison is nothing, but it's harder to believe an NFL pro would do this, vs he was caught up in the wrong crowd.

Also sounds like his defense has been pretty efficient at creating doubt and striking testimony.

He is on the hook for 2 other murders tho, so even if he is not guilty here, those ones are coming.

His weapons charges from a 2013 article...

I'm confident that if he does somehow beat the murder charge in this trial (there's others yet to come still) the sentencing will be close to or at the max allowed under the law on the weapons charges. I don't see how in the world he beats the weapons charges.

Several of Sharper's women were already back in his apartment before he drugged them iirc, meaning they were likely already quite down for pound town. Dude is so sick in the head.

fwiw I believe the max sentence he would be facing on the firearms charges alone would be two years, and presumably he would receive credit for time served

https://malegislature.gov/laws/gener...lei/chapter269

From a MA defense atty's Web site (easier reading):

http://www.neymanlaw.com/carrying-fi...a-firearm.html

Since the weapons were not "illegal" ie not a sawed off shotgun, etc and they were recovered from his home, he's probably fine here, however the "legal" guns recovered at his home were unregistered so they still have him on that

ETA: If they busted him for "carrying" then that implies they were found on him outside the home but from what I've read they were recovered in the home so those facts will be crucial in determining whether the more serious charges actually stick. From what I've read so far I don't see how they do.

I guess there's also the matter of additional weapons charges related to a rifle, but for whatever reason they are not part of this trial so they might be able to nail him on something more serious after this trial.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...charges-032315

Also will be interesting to see if they can convince the jury that he actually handled the murder weapon on the day of the killing given that the murder weapon has never been found.

Is it too late to add Robert Kraft to my death pool? There isn't much I know for sure in this life but when you testify against an angel dust smoking serial killer who shoots people in the face for having others expecting them to pay their share of a bar tab there's a reasonable chance you're done

They have to prove that he was a material participant and had intent, still. But they don't have to prove that he actually pulled the trigger.

So they have to prove placement (which is relatively uncomplicated, although circumstantial still), material involvement and intent.
Whether they did this to a satisfying degree isn't for me to say.

Damn that closing argument was really good. Get what you pay for I guess. Will be interesting to see if there are any hold outs due to that outstanding close

In other news, the Ahern murder trial was quicker than the Wells investigation into deflated balls. #MakesSense

Rog wasn't on the bench tho

they are saying that Rex Ryan is watching this closely and interested in signing AH if he walks.

ESPN is reporting, based on defense, that AH saw the murder:

I might be slow, but this is the first time I think we've heard that he was absolutely there. I'll be very very surprised if he dodges this.

Yeah that's a pretty big bombshell

gg ahern

Is that lawyer from Tallahassee?

It was his only possible defense. We know he was at the scene of the crime because of the evidence. His only explanation is that he was there and didn't kill him and didn't know he was going to be killed then freaked out when he was killed by one of the other two dudes.

I guess I hadn't been following the trial closely enough, because I thought there was some wiggle room in the evidence that supposedly put him at the scene at the time.

LOL at the Kraft testimony now:
unless "not involved" means "did not pull the trigger, but was there and saw it all happen"

Yeah that seems really odd. I mean, its not like they can deny he was because the evidence is overwhelming, but their story doesn't make any sense.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tests-is-easy/

Cliffs: Josh Gordon is really ****ing dumb

That's insane if true. "I wanted to **** him but he drugged me for some reason and raped me when I was unconscious."

you know you secretly want him to go free just so you can see what happens next.

I absolutely want this

Edit: unless he kills me. Then I don't want this

Is there any video of the closing arguments?