We're going in circles here.

He's not a top 25 player at the moment. At his very best and his peak, he would. Every single person ITT agrees with that.

Scorepoints mean nothing when it comes to assessing how good a player actually is. You just have to look at the list to realise that.

Wonder if this guy and Spurious know each other.

are u misreading on purpose?

i said the samplesize is decent. stats are best.
i never said he was the best. i said the guy with the best stats deserves some respect.
no one in this thread while making this list, did know that ribery together with messi(the clear number1) did have the very best goal and assists statistics of every single football player. and thats part of the reason why he is so poorly ranked. u guys (i dunno who made the list) just missed some very important facts about one or another player. thats all what im saying.

in the discussion whos the best striker 2k10 in the premier league.
what do you do. u look at the best 20 goalgetters that season. then u rewatch some guy, think about his skill etc. and rate them in some order.
u just happend to miss the guy who shot the most goals in ur rating. thats kind of fail, but not that bad. but at least admitting that u maybe didnt do that great of a job is just bad.

in here u just missed that ribery is within the group of the best. maybe because a worldwide rating isnt possible without forgetting some useful informations . nevertheless, when getting informed about it, u should at least notice it, and accept it.
ur all like "yea we made that list, its right and nothing can change our opinion"

Semi-grunching here but at least be accurate on Suarez stats ok?

Last year in 47 games(3930 total minutes) he averaged:
0.98 goals per 90 minutes
0.50 assists per 90 minutes

Which adds up to 1.48 scorepoints per minute

While I'm spewing random useless stats at 3:02 AM here's some more!

The 43 goals were 29% of the total goals Ajax scored
26% of his goals were the first goal in the match
And strangely enough 0 of his goals were the winning goal

He received a quite high of 0.25 yellow cards per 90 minutes, but 0 red cards.

Of the 47 games he played he started in 44 of them (94%) and played >60 minutes in all the games he started. Averaging to an impressive 84 minutes per game.

My stats also say he played 100% of the available minutes of the Eredivisie, which I'm beginning to doubt now but lets assume it's right for the moment. 70% of the cup minutes and 76% of the available Europa League minutes.


Here you go!

oh yeah my point was that Suarez >>> everyone in scorepoints

ldo

I am not misreading. I am understanding your terrible points perfectly and debunking them.

I will spell it out for you:

Ribery does not have the best stats. I don't know how often you have to be told to get it through to you.

You are using stats alone to make your argument and already you completely fail.

"
Which adds up to 1.48 scorepoints per minute"

i doubt that. and i completted ur list, all in all he has 82minutes per scorepoint, which is pretty good. but here very easy to see is that his results in cl and euroleague are way worse than his league results, which is obv. cause the netherland league isnt known to be that strong.

Funny how you use different criteria for Ribery than you would for anyone else? Anyone can pick any single professional footballer and come up with a stat showing that they are 'the best'. How you don't see this is amazing.

Suarez is at around 60 minutes per scorepoint according to Bigindieman btw.

so u say, even though u read my arguments correct, u make false points out of them in ur post to confuse other readers?

i mean u said i switched from best stats to decent stats, even though i clearly stated the samplesize of his games is decent, not the stats itself.
so explain urself here please.

once again. i watched enough games to not rate only cause of stats.
but how do you guys discuss about players?

its prolly like that

"hey this villa seems good, remember he once made a good goal, and i think he often scores afaik , i would put him like 9. in best player list"

"hm noo he shoots many goals, but i think he has deficits in shooting with his worse foot. lets rate him worse 4 places for it"

"yea good idea, so villa is 13. best player in the world!"

i think my way of analyzing statistics combined with watching a lot of games, is beter than ur judgement of biased opinions about players of which u only saw random games.

uh per 90 minutes obv

someones under title needs to be changed to scorepoints

omfg, remember the criteria i made?

championsleague ****ing only.
and there suarez is @ 123 or sth i figured out way earlier. so definitly way behind ribery and messi. where is ur supposed different criteria?


my list includes league games, cl games, euroleague games, and cl qualification games.
dont know what bigindieman included.

Its funny that you think we ignore statistics. We consider them for sure, apparantly in a vastly superior way than you. Your method of analysing staistics is infantile and would be laughed at by a 12 year old football fan.

We use statistics and our own observations to judge players. Apparantly you just sort by scorepoints. FTW.

SirGaribaldi please post your top 30 like what Bjorn done.

Holy massively contradict yourself in the same post batman.

lols

scorepoints or scarpoints, amirite people?

ok, let's go somewhere with this or stop. continuing to hammer this guy on this terrible cherrypicked scorepoints thing has gone past the lame point, and has threatened to ruin an otherwise good thread.

lol u guys even keep track in goals per game instead of per minute. this alone makes any assumption based on your stats complettly useless.
thats what even a 12year old can understand. there are players who average like 60 minutes and others close to 90minutes. should make some differences in his goals scored per game i guess.

and obv. i include way more stats in my arguments. but as just mentioned, u guys seem not to understand the difference between minutes and games played, i dont think there is already any sense to an even deeper discussion of statistics.

best part of all your posts itt.

and the misread prize goes once again toooo ----razboy.

i made the list with cl games only.

someone skipped in and said suarez has to be the best there.
i checked and he wasnt, not even close.

the guy come in again and said i not to include league games.
thats what i did afterwards.
i didnt contradict myself anywhere, i was talking about 2 different numbers, namely 123 in cl games only, and 83 in league and cl games.

Goals per minute? Lol @ not using goals per second!

Ok, I'm out. It was fun though.

Learn to speak English, learn what statistics mean, learn when they are relevant and when they aren't, learn that Bayern, the German league and Ribery aren't as good as you think they are.

Profit.

Ok I really am done now.

Shame that such a good thread, in which the OP put in tons of thought/work, has been completely undone by a complete ______.