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Old 11-02-2009, 09:51 AM   #16
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Re: A list with plenty of thoughts on the 200 best "soccer" players in the world

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edit: btw should it be 5-10 or maybe just 1 player at a time? It's a lot of text! What would people prefer?
I think chunks of 5-10 is fine.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:13 AM   #17
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I had them all just outside in some kind of loosely defined group, Akinfeev was there too, not really put in order cause I was already intent on not wanting more goalkeepers included because I had such trouble comparing with the other positions, making things disproportionate. The one that just did miss out was Pepe Reina who I think is only a little behind some of the others when it comes to shotstopping but very strong in other areas.

Then there were all the new german goalkeepers! Some of those pretty deserving too.

The one usually included among best goalkeepers who wasn't even worthy of being included anymore is of course Petr Cech who despite the occasional spectacular save, just makes too many mistakes these days.
i have a tough time evaluating those young german GKs too

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I think chunks of 5-10 is fine.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:13 AM   #18
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Re: A list with plenty of thoughts on the 200 best "soccer" players in the world

Dude you have a blogspot blog without any ads. I think this thread will be a lot better and easier to read if you just list the names, in red or something, and post a link to the article with that set. That's just my opinion, but I think this thread will get more views and posts if you just link.

On to the list, THEY ALL SUCK!

Without doing something similar, I have no idea what the top 200 looks like. Do you have a list of rejects, guys on the bubble as they say for college basketball? If you just posted a list without any comment we'd be better able to gauge things.

Take Sergio Ramos. My main thought on him when trying to be objective is that he's like the US national team. He's very overrated by some but even more underrated by others. Your article does a good job of doing both of those I think he's given too much credit for his play going forward and too much blame for bad defending. He's got to be one of the tougher cases though since he's on a club that doesn't defend ("We will not miss Makélélé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and 90% of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways." - F. Perez) and a national side that doesn't need to. His positioning is tough to judge since he does go forward a lot.

I like the +/- comment. I'm working on recording that stuff but it takes programming skills I don't currently have (a little while I'm at a tiny bit right now). There are all kinds of biases at work here, but one thing that doesn't make Ramos look good is that thinking back to matchups with the other team's attacking player, it seems like he gets outplayed by the corresponding player in big matches. Perotti and Capel certainly won the battle there and Sevilla's first goal came on a cross from the left (his right). It was a nice little overlap play and not really his fault but he did give Perotti a lot of space. I don't watch a ton of Real Madrid when they're playing somebody bad, but it seems like he plays better than his guy most of the time against the weaker sides but almost always gets outplayed against top opponents.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:49 AM   #19
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Dude you have a blogspot blog without any ads. I think this thread will be a lot better and easier to read if you just list the names, in red or something, and post a link to the article with that set. That's just my opinion, but I think this thread will get more views and posts if you just link.

On to the list, THEY ALL SUCK!

Without doing something similar, I have no idea what the top 200 looks like. Do you have a list of rejects, guys on the bubble as they say for college basketball? If you just posted a list without any comment we'd be better able to gauge things.
Do you mean the list of nearly and not so nearly made its?

I did almost do that. And at one point I did have 250 or so players put in order. But I dunno, I kind of like the unpredictable factor and also with the danger of sounding very full of myself, I like the idea of some poor soul who keeps hoping and hoping right until the very best players in the end, that his favorite player will show up, only to have his hopes crushed by the fact that his best player was indeed ranked 247 and didn't even make it!

But if by posting all these players it doesn't get too predictable and it's easier to relate and compare, at least in the beginning, maybe I should post "my bubble".
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:05 AM   #20
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Re: A list with plenty of thoughts on the 200 best "soccer" players in the world

Fair enough. I think it'll be fine just leaving that out.

I'm going to go ahead and assume your top 20 is all Sevilla players, otherwise I'm the poor soul
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Ah no I had Cesar a little higher. I removed the keepers last night and had trouble even remembering who exactly, of the many many "almost made its", that I actually ended up including other than the obvious Casillas/Buffon, but in the end I did give Given the nod over several others.

I know Given isn't great in the air but I don't really remember mistakes and my impression is that these days as a veteran he is not just the flashy shotstopper but also someone generally secure in his actions. The simple things too. And I also think he has started the season brilliantly really being worth points for City. They have just lost once. I think he's had something to do with that and factored it in his favor.
Given has been in outstanding form this season and is a huge factor in City's good results. Sunday's game was a prime example, he saved a penalty and made 2-3 other class saves to keep a clean sheet.
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:25 AM   #22
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Fair enough. I think it'll be fine just leaving that out.

I'm going to go ahead and assume your top 20 is all Sevilla players, otherwise I'm the poor soul
Screw it, these guys, plus many more (including some Sevilla players) all bubbled:

Montolivio
Ibagaza (injury related)
Rosicky (injury related)
Nistelroy (injury related)
Granero
Bochetti
Llorente
Govou
Fanni
Eboue
Ben Arfa
Diarra/Diarra/no wait
Beckham
Milner
Hitzlsperger
Jansen
Maxi Rodrigues
Clichy
Ivanovic
Nani
Pazzini
Muntari
Palombo
Seedorf
Aimar
Quagliarella
Mutu
Klose
Simone Pepe
Robbie Keane
Galloppa
Pandev (not playing atm related)
Gamberini
Wendel
Joe Cole
Marcheonni
Song
Agger
Ronaldinho
Zambrotta
Grosso
Glen Johnson
Alex
Juan
Cordoba
Marchena
Albiol
Abidal
Maxvell
Källstrom
Riise
Hangeland
Skrtel
Burdisso
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Re: A list with plenty of thoughts on the 200 best "soccer" players in the world

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Old 11-02-2009, 11:39 AM   #24
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Screw it, these guys, plus many more (including some Sevilla players) all bubbled:

Mutu
Glen Johnson
Alex
These are the most surprising names to me, after a quick scan. But I understand you don't have a lot of defenders on there?
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:47 AM   #25
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Yeah not a lot of central defenders. And there are maybe even a lot better central defenders than some of those there on the bubble.

Mutu still has some very nice skills and he was pretty close but he hasn't really been able to play (play well) for even 90 minutes for quite a while now and certainly not twice a week. So that really counted against him.

Glen Johnson is somewhat of a victim to Ramos being so low. I don't think he is a very good defender either.
There will be much better at his position higher up and what he offers forward, though fine, I don't think is quite on for an example the Ramos level.

Alex is very solid... I dunno... I think someone like Lucio is still better, if not as a pure defender, then as a player, though Alex of course has skills too, which is why he is even on the bubble!
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:56 AM   #26
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Re: A list with plenty of thoughts on the 200 best "soccer" players in the world

Little bit surprised Agger bubbled, Joe Cole is injury related of course and Ivanovic is interesting. Now that he's getting more playing time at Chelsea he may show himself to be better than some people think.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:01 PM   #27
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Yeah I think he is really good. Fanni is somewhat of a victim of me not being quite sure just how good he is exactly, but other than that Ivanovic might very well be the best fullback left out and not with as much difference in quality to some of the higher ranked fullbacks that the difference in placings would suggest.
There were just too many players in other positions I couldn't get myself to rank him ahead of.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:06 PM   #28
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I would have thought Glen Johnson was a victim of being massively suspect positionally/defensively.

TBH these lists are an impossibility, nobody sees enough of any of the players to make a call, particularly those at the less glamorous clubs.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:23 PM   #29
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:24 PM   #30
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no PSG player bubbled,it's all good,i like the top 200 so far

Sammy Traore is still in the hunt
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