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08-20-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
We won't sell this window.

Barca have given Liverpool an ultimatum. Liverpool has until Sunday night to accept the latest bid (which they rejected out of hand) or Barcelona are withdrawing the offer.

If anyone hasn't seen the add ons that Barca put in their latest offer then look them up and have a good laugh.
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08-20-2017 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
changing RP each year = RP system does nothing

if i want to know how many 2017 kyle walkers make up a 2017 coutinho i'll divide whatever pool end up accepting by 45m, dont need an RP
Cant tell if you are being dense on purpose?

You have an RP for each year, but you dont cross RPs over years.

Its so so ****ing obvious, I cant beleive I am having to elucidate.

How many KWs is the RP for 2017, how many Keegans is 1976, thus giving you a perfectly reasonable way to compare RPs with no carbonite.

Also your claiming that its useful for comparing across different seasons but not within one season is frankly just strange and weird.

Im not wedded to this concept in anyway, but just have to remark on the massive dumbness of your analysis of it.

Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 08-20-2017 at 11:03 AM.
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08-20-2017 , 11:14 AM
no not being dense

arnautovic is RP. he went for 20m this summer

arnie = 1 RP, lacazette = 2.64 RP, ederson = 1.75 RP

why is that better than arnie = £20m, laca = £52m, ederson = £35m. 0 progress made, pointless

otoh the carbonite method allows comparison across the eons

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How many KWs is the RP for 2017, how many Keegans is 1976, thus giving you a perfectly reasonable way to compare RPs with no carbonite
no absolutely not. peter osgood went for 0.33 RP in 1976, arnautovic is worth 0.44 RP in 2017. but using your method you cant say 2017 arnautovic absolute value > 1976 peter osgood cos your value of RP isn't constant. that's where the carbonite comes in
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08-20-2017 , 11:16 AM
baids can you spare us all and stop this immediately.
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08-20-2017 , 11:57 AM
GONG
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08-20-2017 , 01:01 PM
I will forever associate the gong with racism now deezy

keep it out of here
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08-20-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mw828
I will forever associate the gong with racism now deezy

keep it out of here
Ahhhh forgot about e.d.d.y losing the plot
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08-20-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
no not being dense

arnautovic is RP. he went for 20m this summer

arnie = 1 RP, lacazette = 2.64 RP, ederson = 1.75 RP

why is that better than arnie = £20m, laca = £52m, ederson = £35m. 0 progress made, pointless

otoh the carbonite method allows comparison across the eons



no absolutely not. peter osgood went for 0.33 RP in 1976, arnautovic is worth 0.44 RP in 2017. but using your method you cant say 2017 arnautovic absolute value > 1976 peter osgood cos your value of RP isn't constant. that's where the carbonite comes in
lol @ gong stopping me. loooooooooooool. Cmon guys, lol. cmon.

Also I am drunk and victorious now, momentum. (Spurs fans are secretly relieved at my non gong stoppingness.).

1:Its better because of all the posts by mostly RAAAAAZ along the lines of omfg how come # are paying X£ for player Y.

If you put it in RP terms it gives context, its just a short hand to escape from posts bout market gone crazy, were we can look purely at opportunity cost of each player. Its not hard.

Basically all I am suggesting is a more formalised version of divide by Kyle Walker.

Also think you are losing plot on carbonite argument because:

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arnautovic is RP
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arnautovic is worth 0.44 RP in 2017.
waaaaaat?
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08-20-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Basically all I am suggesting is a more formalised version of divide by Kyle Walker.
ok. i figd you had more ambition than lets express transfer fees using smaller numbers

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1:Its better because of all the posts by mostly RAAAAAZ along the lines of omfg how come # are paying X£ for player Y.
problem not solved. game will be ruined in the year that you happen to select an RP on the low end of the RP value range. 'player x just went for a record 9.81 RP, game ruined'
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08-20-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thedeezy
Ahhhh forgot about e.d.d.y losing the plot
jesus man, don't reveal the poor, misguided fellow's name!
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08-20-2017 , 02:22 PM
anyone knows if seri from nice is any good? is he worth 40 mill?
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08-20-2017 , 07:33 PM
On team BOIDS here.

You can make someone like Matuidi RP, but obviously he had circunstances that made his transfer unique (high wages). Every transfer is unique in its own way (positional scarcity at the buying or selling club, brave Englishness etc..

If you want to compare eras I guess just compare fees as a % of club expenditure or something
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08-20-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stAngelous
anyone knows if seri from nice is any good? is he worth 40 mill?
I say worth it, he can do a lot. Kinda remind me of seydou Keita if we're talking barcelona

Last edited by andre006; 08-20-2017 at 08:15 PM. Reason: Maybe Seri is a better playmaker
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08-21-2017 , 02:40 AM
giving up on coutinho to sign some keita type is just complete failure. these barca guys are so ****ing dumb. someone needs to tell them that you cant redeem 10 mediocre midfielders for 2 great ones.

Last edited by daca; 08-21-2017 at 02:45 AM.
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08-21-2017 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
ok. i figd you had more ambition than lets express transfer fees using smaller numbers
Lol just read this discussion.

Expressing players year on year as 1RP and 2RP instead of £10m and £20m?

Just brilliant. I wonder why no one else has thought of this before....
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08-21-2017 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS


problem not solved. game will be ruined in the year that you happen to select an RP on the low end of the RP value range. 'player x just went for a record 9.81 RP, game ruined'
So your saying the system would not work when someone makes a mistake? That is some deep insights bro.

Its almost like there would not be a fairly straightforward methodology for choosing a valid RP.


Whatever, the point is there are and were still plenty of posters expressing shock and awes at certain valuations of players, whilst making the mistake of looking at that valuation in a vacuum.

Having an agreed upon statistically valid reference point makes looking at individual purchases and over all club transfer performance, in context, that bit easier.

People can be all like no **** sherlock. Yes it is obvious and maybe not that ambitious, still people keep using £ valuations in a vacuum on the regular tho.

Expressing valuations year on year fwiw is something BAIDS brought to this party.

Obviously if you carbonite a player its pointless as the RP value will suffer inflation at the same rate as the base currency value.
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08-21-2017 , 06:57 AM
Agree with OAFK, i suggest we use myself as RP who just got transfered for £1 at my local club.

Arnautovic is therefore 20M RP and lacazette is 52M RP
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08-21-2017 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Obviously if you carbonite a player its pointless as the RP value will suffer inflation at the same rate as the base currency value.
You can control for inflation though when making comparisons.

Surely the value of such a system would be to compare spending £28m+14 on Davinson Sanchez in 2017, to spending £4m in Michael Dawson in 2005, or £10m on Vertonghen in 2012. What is the relative cost compared with the market at the time?

In addition, you can compare Kyle Walker 2017 (£50m) to Kyle Walker 2009 (£5m).

Why was a top class fullback £7-9m 2-3 years ago, and £50m now? What is the relative difference??
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08-21-2017 , 07:04 AM
Walker = TFMx4.

Pogba = TFMx5

Neymar = TFMx4

Arno = TFMx3

Could explain my workings but then I'd have to kill you all.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 08-21-2017 at 07:34 AM.
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08-21-2017 , 07:31 AM
Chuba Akpom on loan for you lads marty by the sounds of it
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08-21-2017 , 07:34 AM
Thought it was either us or Leeds.

Know nothing about him per usual, what we getting?
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08-21-2017 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Thought it was either us or Leeds.

Know nothing about him per usual, what we getting?
probably a better deal than you got with aliadiere back in the day

think he'll be useful domestically but don't think he'd cut it in the CL or anything. He#s a fast, powerful striker who beasted at youth level but has struggled a bit at senior.

couple years ago the likes of dortmund were in for him when his contract was up so there's ability there somewhere.
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08-21-2017 , 07:49 AM
Ta

Another non scoring striker was the description I seen lol.
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08-21-2017 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
giving up on coutinho to sign some keita type is just complete failure. these barca guys are so ****ing dumb. someone needs to tell them that you cant redeem 10 mediocre midfielders for 2 great ones.
your mediocre/great radar seems off bro
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08-21-2017 , 08:12 AM
Nasri to random Turkish team confirmed
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