aaron gordon is likely going to be way better than ersan this year, i'd just pencil him in. that team is pretty legit

Ya, and he fits way better next to Gortat than Capela.

You're better off for it.

Is there enough air pressure in the ball for an Irving derozan back court?

Fwiw, I offered a pick swap for Ariza, but got rejected. Doesn't feel cheesy

PG BLED/ELFRID/DAR
SG DAR/Snell/BLED
SF Khris/Snell/DAR
PF KEEF/Khris/UNDRAFTED
C RUDY/UNDRAFTED/NEED

I think it's solid, especially if UNDRAFTED is available.

I considered Aminu over Gordon, he was one of those guys in that group with PatPat and Marcus like he's saying. Along with Markieff, and Brogdon; all of them went ahead of me except Kieff and Aminu.

I thought Aminu's shooting was underwhelming as a spacer when I looked it up and the difference between the MELO prediction of Gordon blowing up (like Smart, as I posted) along with the savings in salary made Gordon the superior pick imo.

I know you acknowledged a pick swap, which I ldo would've had to consider, but I'm mainly replying to my (self-involved) inference of dood's post (unless he's just bashing on DD - which is prbly the case actually).

I was offered a trade by someone else as well. I wouldn't have had any issue accepting it if I liked the offer.

J, Ray and I have both pm'd back and forth about Snell last round.

He's a good, versatile pick:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46...l#post47406217

Him, and his salary, is exactly what this round is about imo.

I'm a big fan of this team.

Great drafting and write-ups.

You really went hard MagnumMike!

Get this resized and it would be grate:

Yeah, he's definitely not the best value, but he's a really solid 3+D rotation guy who's still improving, & I have to spend my $ on something.

Just looked it up...CARMELO calls him a "scrub" which is kind of harsh haha. Not sure why they expect him to regress so hard heading into his age 26 season.

Snell is just ok but I feel like it was a good spot given who's left and what you have. My biggest gripe about him is his defense, one would think you'd either have good RPM numbers if you were a defender, and if not at least good synergy stuff, but he doesn't. The final straw for me is the fact that he forces a really low number of turnovers despite playing in a hyper-aggro system.

He's not really stopping anyone from scoring, not forcing turnovers, and the team doesn't play better defense with him on.

I know it sounds like I'm hating on the pick but that's sort of what's left at the wing position. It's either Snell types, great defenders who are completely liabilities on offense, or unapologetic chuckers. Overall I'd go with the first group, and Snell is probably the best one out there.

You can get this gif resized in this 4L thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/62...r-nsfw-612905/

Note that it's NSFW.

This is why I took Gortat now, fear of someone having that same train of thought even if it didn't seem a likely pairing.

Thoughts on platoon of Gortat and Capela dood?

Yeah, there were a few centers in that range who were interesting propositions, but I felt like any wing I got would not be good, unless I got 1 specific guy, & more wing minutes available. Plus i couldn't have afforded Gortat anyway. I like the pick.

Also, explaining the Ersan pick: I felt like I had to get a defined shooter at the 4 or that would've been the easy knock.

I didn't want to take someone who had the range but lacked volume/minutes. I wanted a true shooter who actually plays. I debated blowing a lot of money on UNDRAFTED, but I'm glad I didn't.

I agree Gordon is a better player. Still might start Ersan irl like a lot of teams do w/ a set rotation where the more dynamic player starts on the bench - like Miami w/ James Johnson.

Ultimately it's about overall minutes and intuitively I feel like certain toolsy guys are better hopping in mid-game. It's Pop's MO.

I don't think there was a better center for the price, and you have the Gortat/Wall PnR which is a known quanity--MG is on the Cody Zeller level of being good at the pick'n'roll imo.

He really struggled the second half of the season, but he's been consistently decent for a long time.

I like that you have three PnR creators and 2 straight PnR bigs on your team, that seems to fit well.

Dodger: Ersan Pick Review

If you take a look at the rosters, there are few teams that have offensive beasts at the 3 and 4 slot. There are a ton of teams where you could easily play a Wall-Hayward-Gordon-Ersan-Gortat lineup and just let Ersan cover the easiest option. The only real problem teams would seem to be Seadood (Danillo,Milsap) KCC (Melo, Durant) and Krayz (George, Love). Hayward would have difficulties keeping up with most twos but I think the offensive edge would be greater. A.Gordon and Ersan have completely different games from each other but when played together can offset each others weaknesses. I think the mismatch in size outweighs the mismatch in speed at the two.

Summary: Non traditional pg sg sf pf c lineups are where great teams push their edge and separate.

Looking at the teams so far, looks like only Wrane (maybe RT?) is going against the pg sg sf pf c structure. Kind of disappointing. Results of group think or optimum strategy leading to this? You would assume that the range in different skills and body types would result in many different 'starting' lineups but they all pretty much stay the same. Stinks Joker got worse draft slot because I think he has the best skill set to make up your own positions.

i'm not sure what you mean but a lot of teams did not draft traditional pfs or traditional backup Cs. most are treating aminu/aaron gordon/morrii as PFs, not afraid to play two 'PGs' rick carlisle-style, etc.

the reason ppl don't play random ppl like taurean prince at C is because you get obliterated on the boards too bad. you have a little leeway but not that much

RoCo is the best PF in this

Interesting. I think offensively you could play him literally anywhere, but on defense he's strictly a 5. They tried to put him at the 4 and it's just too much ground for him to cover.

Besides, they already had the #1 offense with just him, better than Golden State or Cleveland with 3 offensive dynamos. That's with an offense that was literally installed on-the-fly once the Jurkic experiment failed. That's part of the reason why I kept his team similar to his IRL one, it was pretty much unstoppable once they handed the keys to him.

Offensive ratings post Nurk being benched.

Notice how the only players that hang are on the Warriors, and we're talking about a collection of 2 MVPs, 1 top 10ish player and another top 25ish guy... vs Jokic/Gallo/Harris/WOAT PGs.

I figure a more seasoned Murray, who was their de-facto best PG last year, only replacing Harris/meh PFs with JRich/Millsap should come close to the same output except with much better defense.

I will continue to maintain that Jokic is the best offensive player in the league, I think the numbers bear that out pretty convincingly. Granted we'd need more of a sample ofc.

Yea I get that alot of the reserve guys are pf/c and sf/pf types that can play either since teams are trying to maximize their subbing ability. I thought some teams might have tried to go to extremes in size, 3pt shooting, defense, super one player centric, ect.

who do teams put on Joker? Alot of 5's shouldn't even be able to play. Really think him and Milsap should beast the more I think of it.