sorry, it is WM_APP not WM_USER. i did take a peek, but found nothing i could make sense of. then decided to not go any further on this path because succeeding would be terrible for so many reasons.

heres my point: OCR is not 'documented' anywhere. does stars prohibit it? just because someone has figured out how to do something that you have not, does not mean that the pokersite is exposing backdoor APIs for some select few third parties to access.

much more likely is that PT hooked into the client somehow and is intercepting messages, and they are not about to give up their competitive advantage and tell you (and HEM) how they do it. that would be retarded.

so i would be heavily surprised if what you suggest is actually happening, especially from stars, but obv anythings possible.

Yes. I respect the Stars T&Cs. Observing windows messages while "exercising" the client software does not violate them. Efforts to reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble would violate the T&Cs.

They actually have ethical standards at Stars. They paid us, even after being kicked out the the country, while under indictment.

no need for stars to document OCR. another quote from wikipedia:

"Early optical character recognition could be traced to activity around two issues: expanding telegraphy and creating reading devices for the blind.[1] In 1914, Emanuel Goldberg developed a machine that read characters [..]"

let's hope mr. goldberg properly documented what he did back in the days ;-)

lol sigh

re: OCR - You can make the argument that a visual representation of the name is an API, it just interpreted by meatware.

Early on it did look like PT was using some undocumented api, but the support forums are now showing signs that at least on some OS versions or security setups are falling back to their 'old' method. "Player HUD not appearing when the table is partly obscured" etc.

Country specific laws pre-empt the T&C's (according to the T&C's, not just law) - Reverse engineering and disassembly for interoperability is specifically allowed under European law as far as i'm aware.

That said, i'm a fan of Stars and wouldn't do it myself.

wait ..i was not aware of that. checking their troubleshotting guide [http://www.pokertracker.com/guides/P...oes-not-appear]:

"If you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, make sure that both PT3 and your poker client are configured to Run As Administrator.
Disabling 'User Account Control' (UAC) makes things easier, but you still need to run all your poker software as administrator."

this could get funny ..waiting for malware taking over users machine via PTs explicite advice. i'd love to be the users lawyer in this case so much.

Thats pretty standard. You can't get a hwnd (?) of another process without it as far as understand

no, window handles are just free stuff flying around for everyone to play with. needing admin rights to do things is a completely different beast. for example you can not do things like opening a running process (reading its mem, monitoring file access, attaching a debugger, whatevs) if you don't have higher privleges than the target process.

Any news?

afaik you read the data out from some graphic/text rendering windows api. so programmers build a detour and filter the data when it's being rendered.

c'mon, we are talking technical stuff here. software automation.

there is nothing "broad" to it when a natural starting point would be to ban all the kiddies throwing EasyHook.dll at the client. there you got your human reaction speed.

I like stars because if they do stuff, they do it the right way. Having a look only at EasyHook.dll does solve nothing.

I like the part where mme told Derek to gtfo and he did

Was this ever solved?