Holdem Manager Support wrote this:

(the surprise is, our ZOOM HUD is not using OCR,.. which means it can accurately grab the list of playernames, from a DLL file that PokerStars supplies)

now that is indeed a surprise...

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/mana...ml#post1019521


It is time to play "Name that DLL". Our contestants are now entering the studio.

lol 'secret API' you gotta be kidding me.

its pretty obvious that PT must've figured out a way to do it, and doesnt want HEM to steal the idea. and mme is trying to pressure them to give it away. how much sense does that make?

They are just using API hooks into the site. This has been being done for years.

IMO let this $hit die. 99% of the time just used for bots.

right, hence, AP10s inferences

what dll are they talking about? there is none and PS client is not loading anything unusual at runtime. at least not last time i checked. two possibilities:

a) there is none. then HEM is the next one to get banned from this contest
b) there is one. in this case it is overqualified as hidden interface for being hidden so well that it is not even present on my machine

holy cow. what is going on there?

just reread the post:

My guess is that Pokerstars indeed possible supplies an dll, which that can be injected by third party software.... not THAT unlikely..... afterall HEM2 has already 3 stars*.dll.....


and even more fancy, dll could be downloaded and injected at runtime

any dll you inject has to find data it can work upon in the client in the first place. if this is the case we may be talking a security leak that needs to be fixed. what good is all this aiding-bots-talk-nonsense when stars leaves holes open for PT and friends that can be abused by any dedicated bot coder just as well?

if you want to proove/disproove your assumption, go find ProcessExplorer on the net and check for dlls stars client has loaded. one time with HEM HUD running and one time without. i don't run HEM nor do i run windows so my hands are a bit bound. would be very kind if you posted the respective lists, screens whatevs.

hmm, maybe i will indeed take a look just for curiosity....

and also, as far as i understood, it's not pokerstars policy to minimize access of third party software, they don't even have a problem with hooking the client. Their policy is hunting down software which doesn't fit their terms and conditions. Which was a surprise for me. On the other hand, this is as it should be.

(the surprise is, our ZOOM HUD is not using OCR,.. which means it can accurately grab the list of playernames, from a DLL file that PokerStars supplies)

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I am not certain what he meant by that statement.

He is also a 2+2 member.

I have sent him a PM asking him to clarify the issue.

PokerTracker/HoldemManager use 4 different techniques to read/grab info from PokerStars:
-1 OCR to read the chat window--> ="live tracking" this enables the software to display live pot odds. Other software (is it Holdem Indicator?) uses OCR to read the actual table itself to see who's still active in the hand.

-2 Import of handhistories

-3 Pre-fetch HUD (handgrabber)
-4 Zoom HUD

3 grabs the handhistories of tables you observe... or when you're sitting out / waiting for the big blind. (the technique is similar how FreePHG grabs observed handhistories from PartyPoker)

4 also grabs the list of player names. Though this is done differently for Zoom vs regular tables. I don't know how this is actually done / or which file has the data. So I generically just described it as "reading a .dll file". The poker tracking software have an agreement with PokerStars they will only grab 1-3 hands, thus this feature can't be used for datamining.

it is - hunt them down. but in my book, watever it may be, it counts as a hidden interface. can you access it on mac? or on your iPhone or on android? i am pretty serious about this and i want an answer from stars. given all their statements on HUDs and the fact that you play at an advantage using one. i want to know what they have to say about putting users of non-windows platforms to a disadvantage. at the tables. every single hand.

Yes, HEM first used OCR, then wrote the HUD stats to the player NOTE. (using the Full Tilt notes) Remember that? This was a horrible system. Though HEM had a workable RUSH HUD a couple of weeks before PT3. PT3 just hooked into PokerStars which was a superior method.... though it wasn't clear if this was allowed.

When it turned out PokerStars allowed it, HEM also switched to this method and dropped the OCR/NOTE system.

lol, give up on this "mac should be equal" rubbish. If you insist on using a niche platform, it's entirely your own fault if not all mainstream options are available to you on that platform. be glad you have a native client at all. this theme appears a lot of your posts itt and it's pointless and derailing.