What are you blabbering about?

I have used PJ pretty much since day 1 and never had any serious issue until 8.0 iOS.

Yes there were few issues with filters in the past, but they were minor at worst.

Would I appreciate author to keep on updating it and making it better? Of course, but the app is 5 years old. Beyond fixing various bugs that come up because of iOS updates, is there anything more he can add to the app? Probably not.

And what is the guarantee of using one of these new apps that same thing won't happen few years down the road? At the very minimum, we know Michael is still responding to his email 5 years after releasing the app.

The fact is that the issue PJ was having with 8.0 existed since the very first beta months before the public release. It's great that it's functional again so everyone can get their data out, but it baffles me that anyone would continue using this as their primary tracking app.

I can't help your memory, but perhaps this thread below from when ios7 was released and it took 2 months for Michael to fix the app will help? You do realize developers get ios releases a couple of months in advance so they can ensure their apps will be ready to work when the official ios is publicly released?


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...e-5-a-1374726/

Yes, for ios8.

One could make the argument that had he run his own app in ios8 2 months before the official public release, maybe Apple would have fixed the issue sooner?

Right, and that update in 2013 was because it wasn't compatible with ios7 and it took a full 2 months for him to update the app so it would work in ios7. That was not an Apple issue. If you think it's cool to leave your users stranded for 2 months because the app was released 5 years ago, then okay.

I can't in good faith tell someone to buy PJ because he's not really supporting the app, but he's still selling it. It doesn't matter how many years ago the app was first released; it's still being sold and new users are spending 15 bucks on an app that isn't being tested on new ios releases.

I don't understand why you guys are crapping over an app that costed you ~$13 and has effectively done its job for 5+ years.

PJ has been available since 2008, last update in 2013, 5 years after its release. How many problems have you guys had? I had problems twice and I have been using the app pretty much on daily basis.

RunGood been around for 1 year, where would it be in 3, what about 5? What guarantee do I have that by iOS 10, RunGood will still be supported and not be "bottom of list" for its author?

What kind of strawman is this? Buy his app and if it's not being supported 5 years from now but still being sold, go ahead and bitch about it; we'll be behind you 100%.

I'm still trying to load my backup, it failed twice. Also, i backed up after the WSOP once or twice and both those backups didn't go to my email like they usually did. I only have backups from May of this year and before. Did anyone else get a problem like that? (not even getting their backups :-[ )

I cannot find the option to export to CVS within PJ. Can someone please point me to it?

Never mind. Backup does the HTML thing, but export gives more options.

Run good seems very slow. Miss the graphs by date.

Lol. Jesus, none of us knew you could export to csv straight from PJ, and Michael, himself, was converting users' html exports to csv when the app already can export to csv! WTF? A PJ csv export will import into RunGood with no issues.

Date graphs can be done via filters. You need to turn on filters, set the date and then go to the graphs tab.

+1 to iOS 8.1 making Poker Journal functional. I'm fortunate enough where i didn't run into any crashes. Once I upgraded to iOS 8.1 via itunes, it auto-downloaded PJ and it was functional without any tweaking or crashes.

-1

I knew about it from the first day I used PJ - It's right there in the Export section of the Manage Data page.

You are awesome!

Thank you very much!

Sarcasm aside, when choosing which app i wanted to use, export capability was one of the first things I looked at, so I knew it was there. Plus, it is kind of hard to miss on the Manage Data page.

FWIW, my experience with PJ is good - and I initially purchased it when iOS 7 came out. A few emails back and forth with the developer resolved the issues relatively quickly (try dealing with "the big boys" ), and I've been happy since.

Of course, your mileage may vary, but I'm happy with PJ.

That's cool and all, but those of us that had the app prior to ios7 had to wait 2 months before being able to update to ios7. The "big boys" would have beta-tested the app several weeks before the public ios7 release to ensure the app would work on the new ios.

If you have a large number of sessions, the stat calculations could potentially take a few seconds. I'm planning to do some optimizations, but after I add some of the other requested features. Already have standard deviation stats ready for the next update.

I also intend to add monthly, quarterly and yearly graphs. These have been planned for a while but delayed a bit to work out some interface issues. No current plans to add graphs by date yet, since I'm not sure they provide much utility beyond the already available hour and session graphs. (Always open to be convinced otherwise, though.)

I'm not trying to start a debate - I recognize that everyone has their own perspective, and I respect that. I just want to make two small but significant points:

1. Apple, Microsoft and all the other "big boys" have certainly released their share of buggy software that often takes months to shake out *after* commercial release, and
2. For the latest PJ/iOS8 issue, the problem was on Apple's side, and we had to wait for *their* fix, not PJ; not much PJ can do when the Apple installer hangs.

At least we can all get back to poker now!

I hear what you're saying, but even Vista still allowed people to work. Why would a developer not open one of his apps during prerelease to ensure it even opens?

I mean, I get it; you write an app and sell if for $15 and hope you sell 50,000 copies and when it doesn't then it's like wgaf, but sell the app or take it out of the store. As is, there are improvements that could be made to PJ, but that's not very likely to ever happen.

Certainly ios8 wasn't Micheal's fault, but if it was, we might still be hung up for another month. Had he run the app during prerelease, ios8.1 might have been ios8 and this thread wouldn't exist, no?

I'm having a slightly different problem with PJ. Attempting to transfer PJ backup over from an older phone to new phone.

iPhone 4 (IOS 7.1.2) -> iPhone 6 (IOS 8.1.0)

The PJ backup does not properly contain all of my session info. It contains everything up to a certain session, which is marked as incomplete (active), then no more sessions after that. The problem appears to be entirely on the iPhone 4 as the backup information inside the app on iPhone 4 shows the truncated session count and active session.

When I look at the problematic session in the PJ app nothing appears corrupted with that session nor the sessions around it. I can successfully export a full, correct CSV file with all sessions and the data looks fine.

Anyone have a solution for this or a similar experience?

I also get -1 cash and tourney entries. Has anyone managed to create a working html backup from the SQLite file?

I also had a similar problem, where the backups seemed to be incomplete. I had tried deleting the apparently offending entry & re-adding it, which didn't appear to do much - at first.

Once I added a new live cash session, the database seemed to uncorrupt itself, and now my backups appear to be complete.

I'm not sure if it was the deletion of the "bad" entries or the act of recording a new live session, or both.

Good luck!

Slight correction. The backup appears *almost* complete - it does seems to be missing the last cash game & last tourney entered...

How do I restore my Poker Journal data from the backup email? I can't figure out how to get the file back into the app.

Just open the email on your phone, and tap the link in the email. That will decode & unzip the file, and open it in PJ.

Still debating which app I am going to stick with, as I seem to have a problem with both.

With rungood, if I am in results and tap graph, it takes about 8 seconds to come up with the graph (~2000 sessions). This is painfully slow and would not seem to be related to the stats calculation mentioned above.

With pokerjournal, it is basically back now that I have ios8.1, but I have had a long standing bug where the tournament overview never stops "loading". Everything else works fine: The cash game overview works fine, if I rotate the tourny "loading" overview page the graph comes up, and I can see the individual tourny sessions. I have tried deleting the app and reinstalling and this does not help.