Yes it will be one-time purchase.
We haven't decide on the price yet. Probably about 79-99$. We realize this prize is a bit high but we plan to expand to many areas of poker (sngs, solving minigames and some more) and it will be easier for us to pack all this in one more expensive product than in many cheapier ones.
We are open to discusiion though so if you have any ideas about the prize please share

nice, looking forward to it =D

I'd pay $1000

could u do the same software for plo?

Same - certainly no.
Something - maybe.

Plo is much more difficult than holdem to analyze. One would need to design filter/categories system instead of range choosing. I have some ideas but I doubt we will work on them in near feature.
There are many things to work in holdem. We have kilometer long wish list and it's more interesting to us than starting whole new project on PLO right now.
Btw there will be a release of new version next Monday (maybe Tuesday if we won't deal with licensing system by then).
New version is super awesome and easy to use. We will work hard to make it worth its price (almost surely 99$) in following months.

will there be a trial period (with FULL user rights) so we can decide whether we want to shell out $99 ?

(u know what else? I'd appreciate it if you could lay out the things you believe are superior in your product vs. StoxEV, since that seems to be your main competitor, and oh yeah > it's free...I'm not averse to paying $99 for something. I'd just like to clearly understand what i'm getting and why it's better than a competitor's product that i can get for free)

There is a problem with time-limited trial. The product won't be the same thing in a month or two as we will be adding many features. Ppl who use the trial now won't be able to see all improvments later.
I think it's better idea to have never expiring trial with some limitations.
It will be clear what one can get in full version. Every new future will have sample/limited functionality making it clear how it works. Our idea is to let users enjoy the free functionality as long as they wish possibly waiting for new featuers they want before buying.
Free functionality will be very useful one. Right after the release there won't be that many extra things in paid version. That's ok though. We don't want to force people to buy Pokerazor if they are not sure they will use it reguarly. Everyone will be free to use the program and watch growing set of bonuses in full version until it's tempting enough to "shell out" 99$

I would prefer to have users to judge it. We will be too busy adding new things/fixing bugs, writing analysis and showing what one can do with Pokerazor to worry about what competition is up to. Once we implement what we have in near future plans (and that will be 2/3 months) we can start worrying about other products.

update ?

Almost surely it will be released tomorrow we still have some minor issues but we will try to make it available tomorrow. Tuesday is the worst case.
One good news is it will be awesome though

bump?

What does it mean if action is yellow? It doesn't change the results; I am just curious.

Any plans to expand range explorer? E.g. I'd like to take a starting hand and see what is possible by the turn without having to input board cards.

Last question is will there be an option to use the program without treelike interface? One of the reasons I favor your program to StoxEV is less scrolling, but treelike interface means more scrolling.

update?

please don't turn this into a new PokerEv tracker thread.

It means that action is never used but it doesn't cause any errors.
Our plan is to incorporate all range explorer features in the main program. The one you are talking about is available in new program (without all the graphs though) right now.

One thing which is very good in new Pokerazor is the interface. I didn't use StoxEV much so I don't know about scrolling (as I didnt insert any long cases) but our tree will be very functional and easy to use. Just wait and I am sure you won't need old interface anymore.
Releasing software is hard and we have no experience doing it. Pleased be patient.
I am sorry for the delay. We will try to release asap (maybe tomorrow, maybe in 2 days). Probably some important featuers will be missing in first release. It's not a problem though. The trial will be very functional and never expiring so everybody will be able to wait for their favourite features to be implemented before spending any money on it

nice. Thanks for the update punter

update again ?

We have problem with inregrating licensing system. Logic Protect support sucks and they don't really speak english They also don't work on weekends.

Anybody have any info on other licensing systems ? We would like to integrate it asap.

I like a GPL license.

Ok, we didn't manage to cope with licensing yet.
We will release free beta with almost full functionality (without some things) today.
Everybody is free to download and enjoy until we cope with licensing

I hate GPL as a user and developer. I strongly disagree with philosophy behind GPL and I think it is slowing down progress and kills creativity.
For many developers the only chance to continue work on their product is to earn money by selling it (for some it's not the case as it's their hobby but still they aren't willing to release the source code and would hate if someone else distributed their product, see example of StoxEV; they choose to provide their product for free but still are far far away from GPL'ing it and they can't use any GPL'ed evaluator for example either). When someone wants to use someone's else work the normal thing in the world is to pay for it. This way everybody benefit. The author of the solution gets money. The author of the product which use it makes better product and make money. Users receive better product and are happy too. This is why money and trade were invented. Nobody is fighting against it though as GPL supporters are against commercial software.



Anyway it's only a small digression. Functional free beta of Pokerazor will be available today

been following your efforts since day 1 (well, maybe 20). Very curious to see what you've done in the last months.

We have a several months break and project was about to die (as oryginal team collapsed) when we decided to ressurect it recently so it's not like we were working 7months on it
There is still many interesting things implemented (like powerful compound condition editor and best exploitative strategy finder), some almost implemented (like nash equilibirum finder for 1street games with raises/reraises/calls allowed) but too slow to show it to the public at current stage and some more to come.

i think this might actually work out better for you, in that even without a licensing system right now, a limited-time free trial will let people see what it can do before buying.

Free version will be functional and not time limited anyway for the reasons I stated before.
Probably most of what will be in today BETA will be free forever and only new features will be in commercial version (maybe we will make some exception, no decision yet; solver may one exception if we implement full functionality to it; it's difficutl to decide now, for now it's free BETA but we reserve right to switch some features off later).
We want to give free functionlity for users who don't want to buy our product. We realize that competition (StoxEV) is strong and that many will prefer a free product.
Personally I think Pokerazor is better and will be much more better soon but for those not convinced there will be functinal free program to use.
Our poilcy is to charge money from users who use Pokerazor frequently and enjoy all it's features. For those who use it only sporadically for simple calculations it will be free.

Time limited trial is not good idea for software with frequent updates so we won't use it unless we are fully satisfied with our product (and this won't happen soon)

Punter, I think you have a huuuge misunderstanding of the GPL, if the above is accurate of your thoughts.

GPL has nothing to do with money, let alone being "against" commercial software developers.

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