We plan to make some kind of poll so users could choose what features are the most imporant
For postflop situations kicker can be often simulated by chosing top pair AND and here group of specific hands (so for example on Qxx board choosing all A's and K's AND top pair will give A and K kicker).
For preflop situations it can't be done that way (still you can choose top pair AND broadway so only toppair like QJ on Jxx will be counted but J9 on Jxx wont).

I agree it's important feature but we think that for example board texture and treelike interface are more important for now.
If I were to guess I would say that kicker will be there in 3-4 weeks.

I was trying to use the Range Explorer to answer this question - if I have KsQs and my opponent has A8o and hits a pair or better on the flop, what is my equity vs. him. Or even how often will my hand win would be fine.

So I put A8o as his hand range, KsQs as my hand range, then set "hands villain will play from flop to turn" as any pair or better and "hands villain will play from turn to river" also to any pair or better. When I press calculate I get nothing for the turn and river panels. So either I don't know how to set this up or it is not possible with Range Explorer. Help?

It's not possible right now in range explorer as we switched off turn and river calculations for simulatiosn which start preflop (as they were usually very slow as Villain's ranges tends to be about 200combos big). We will do some testing and probably switch the option back on for small ranges.
Btw, why do you need this result ? Most applications which need it are possibel to analyze in strategy analysis window.

By the way, I am sorry we can't fix all the bugs at once. We are collecting all feedback we get and making decisions about priorities. For now the most important features for us are :

-making tree-like interface (we have cool idea about how it will look like); this will make many features natural, for example taking into account betting history will be automatic and clearly presented also seeing EV's of chosen branches would be very easy to present
-making some flop texture analysing tool; we have plans for this too; it will allow users to make general statements about flops like Axx flop or "flop with two face cards" or "monotone flop" etc and base actions on this conditions together with existing ones

We think this two are the mos important as they will improve usability and clarity of results. It's possible we will implement some smaller changes along the way but those two are our main priorities.

Don't hesitate to suggest your pet features though We for sure won't forget about them.

Well I was using the range explorer because I couldn't quite figure out some issues with the strategy analyzer. What I really wanted to do was analyze the following hand from a MTT post:

9 handed, blinds and antes are 800/1600/150, so 3750 in the pot to start. Villain has 50K, raises to 4800 from mp with A8o. Hero has KQs in sb and 18k left after posting sb & ante. I want to compare the EV of a preflop push by Hero compared to a stop-n-go, where hero calls preflop, pushes any flop and villain calls with any pair or 8-out str dr or 1 card nut flush draw.

I was able to compute the EV of the push by hand:

I win 45.88% according to PS.
I am betting 18k to win 22,550 (3750+18,800, amt Villain has to put in to match hero's push) so the EV of the pf push is:
.4588*22550-.5412*18k=10346-9742=+604.

But I was able to get this same result in the strategy analyzer only if I set my stack to 18000 and the pot to 4550 which I notice is 800 more than the dead money in the pot, but I don't know why this is the case.

However it is impossible for me to compute the EV of the stop-n-go approach by hand so I thought I would give your tool a try. The flop pot=12550 (3750 dead money+4800 raise+4000 hero's call). Hero pushes last 14000, and villain calls only if he has a pair or draw as stated above. How do I analyze this in the analyzer? I figured out how to set up the actions, but the stack and pot amts needed don't are confusing. My naive guess is stack=14000 and pot=12550, but my naive guess wasn't correct when I tried to analyze the preflop push.

Help?

dfan:
i am not sure if it is OK to post strategy analisys in this thread. I tried to answer your questions here
http://pokerazor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21

hi,

i'm on my mac right now, so i haven't been able to try the software out. does it have a session review mode? i have some custom tools that run through pokertracker and let me walk me through hands that meet various criteria (biggest pots, etc.), allowing me to ask questions like this on each street. extra bonus feature: if it understands the villain's stats, it can ask you what you think his range is and say things like "your range is 15% of all possible starting hands, but we know he's opening 24% of the time here" etc.

your interface beats the pants off of mine, and i'd happily switch over if you added a session review mode. actually, i'm sure i'll buy your product anyway, but i'd still like that feature .

Not yet but it's in the plans.

I agree with the posts about the need for adding board texture and prior actions.

That being said, wow! This is such a huge step forward it is ridiculous. This is the type of software that fuels the exponential growth of poker analysis. (much like poker stove, PT, ICM, SNG PT, etc.)

Basically it allows us talk about the truly strategic points of a hand without getting stuck on a factless argument about whether or not a basic strategy is mathematically correct.

Great job!

It's in the plans but our priority for now is...

We are working on new interface which would be similair to a tree. Taking into account prior actions will be automatic there.

punter,

I was playing with your amazing software tonight. I think that I may have found a small bug. I was gonna post to your website, but it was 404 down for me.

Using Range Explorer: Villain's preflop hand range: >select >Predefined hand range >StoxStandardsBTN >load

The expression: 22+, A2s, A3+, K9+, K8s-K2s, Q9+, Q8s-Q5s, J9+, J8s, J7s, T9s-T7s, 98, 97s, 87s, 86s, 76s, 75s, 65s

Number of Hands selected: 506 38.2%

While independent pokerstove:
expression:22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+, 75s+,65s,A3o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+
Number of hands selected: 494 37.3%

However pokerstove:
expression:22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+, 75s+,65s,A3o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+
,T9o
Number of hands selected: 506 38.2%

But I could easily be screwing something up. I'm dumb and getting dumber by the day.

gTg

In your pokerstove expression 98 offsuit is missing while it is included in StoxStandardsBTN range from default settings.

Took me a while to notice I was convinced there is a bug as well
Thanks for double checking everything

Thanks punter.

Sorry to have you spend time on that. You're right of course. I was overlooking the
98o.

I guess that I'm thankful that I'm still smart enough to know that I'm dumb and dumber.
lol

Sorry about that.

Thanks,

gTg

That would be interesting to have a function to select flop with a " drawness " flop with a low coef for dry flops ... ( may be )

I agree with everything, but the bets can easily be in % of the pot, BB or in fractions. Thats not to difficult, right ?

We have awesome idea about flop texture conditions. It has to wait for a while (maybe for commercial release or even a bit longer) which will allow to specify almost any kind of flop you wish.

It's not. For now you can choose bet's in % of the pot or absolute amounts. In limite they are automatically set for what is suitable for given street.
Can you specify what you mean by "fractions" ? Decimal fractions of the pot ? Standard fractions ? (like 3/4). Also BB would require one more field (what is BB) for no-limit and pot-limit so it's not practical. For now you can set all the settings in BB (pot, stacks etc) and just use absolute amount option.

We posted first part of the tutorial "shoving semi-bluff on the flop". It's simple example of a strategy analyzed step-by-step. We plan to post even more basic explanations of all fields but a lot depends on the need. Any feedback is welcome on this matter. We would like to make using Pokerazor as fun as possible

I meant standard fractions like 3/4. Have you decided the price yet? Anything
less then $50 will sell very good ;D

keep up the good work, the program looks very interesting!

After the last update i have a problem with pokerazor. When i try to run it i get the "verifying application requirements" screen and then it closes. I tried uninstalling/reinstalling and restarting my computer to no avail.

Also i tried to skip the updates but that did not help either. Any suggestions ?

Ditto.

It's been workin' fine for several days. Won't open today.

gTg

azalin: there's a new update (0.5.8.1) - after you install it, Pokerazor should work just fine. If it doesn't, PM me.

Hey,

That fixed it!

Thanks,

gTg

Fixed! If possible make a standard installer (as opposed to 1 click one). It would make me feel better having an idea on what is going on my computer

Good program btw!

Great program. I have two suggestions.

1) Selecting combo draws is a little tedious. If I want to bet my TP+, and 10+ outters then i have to make several conditions for GS+pair, fd+gs, pair+straight draw, etc. Perhaps a better way to specify draws would be to measure by the number of outs you would have against a generic overpair. So 4 for a gutter, 5 for 3rd pair, 8 for OESD, 9 for FD.

2) In the range explorer tool, in the villian's hand range tab I think it would be useful if you could select a range like the villian's top x% and then calculate what your equity is against that range. Or alternatively, you could change that text box to list the range in a format compatible with pokerstove so i could easily copy paste it in there.

You mean preflop equity ? It's possible to see equity once you select a board.
For now calculating preflop equity is slow and this is why we disactivated this feature. It will be turn on in the future though.

Can you add in a text field which is saved with configuration explaining our thoughts for this configuration.

So i can write "Oh this was a hand from last week... see PT database yada yada"

Thanks

Just saw this thread and the program looks really cool. I'm gonna be doing a lot of experimenting with it.