very very nice work!
but $500 doesnt look good from business point of view

$500 will not avoid someone who are willing to put time to study, has done before with own calculation, to buy it (maybe those still in micro-stakes, but if you are willing to pay $500, you will not playing with them). so $500 will not make the game softer, but less sales for pokerrazor and thus bad for developer.

sf,
You missed the point. He doesnt want it widely available hence the high price.

Op,
Matter of time before someone made something like this. When you do release commercial +1 for a full user guide/faq.

I've been trying to enter the first hand example in your "playing back preflop against a loose 3bettor" link (the one with A5s) into strategy analysis, but the results aren't the same as yours. Would you mind posting a screenshot of exactly how you enter everything in for that example? I'm missing something.

Hi,

We are working on the tutorial right now. We will try to make the interface easier and more intutive. It will take time but your feedback will help greatly.

Timmay28, here is how to ask Pokerazor about Ah5h problem. To remind to other users. We raise to 21$ in 3/6 game with 600$ stacks. Our opponent 3bet to 77$ with TT+,AJ+,ATs,KQs,KJs and we are considering pushing all-in.
We assume he will call our push with JJ+ and AK.

Here is how to enter the settings into Pokerazor :



And for a thingy in yellow circle you need to "add condition" first and edit it like this :



I hope that helps. Please ask if anything is not clear. The tutorial will appear in parts on our website. For now there is quick tour here

I just realized I made a mistake in condition name. It should be "JJ+/AK" instead of TT+/AK. The results are correct though as condition name doesn't affect anything. Sorry for creating confusion though

Can't wait for tutorial! This software is awesome!

This is an incredible piece of software you have here. Thank you very much for all your hard work.

Maybe I missed an obvious thing somewhere, but in the strategy analyser is it possible to set the percentage that someone does an action, for example with top pair+ he bets the flop 90% and checks behind 10%?

What kind of tutorial would be the best ?
One option is to make short description of diffrent features. Other is to walk through some examples. Do you like screenshot with comments format ? What about video tutorial ?
For now we are working on some easy examples with comments. I will be posting them reguarly on our website.

video tutorial walking us through examples. i am ******ed

The screen shots you posted above helped.

It would be nice if you made a few videos walking us through some of your blog posts and how you were able to use the program to come to your conclusions.

You could do a series of short videos. Starting out very basic and gradually moving to very complicated problems.

One last thing that would help is if we had a better explanation of why we get certain common errors. Like the error someone was talking about earlier in the thread where he wasn't using a complete action. It would be nice if there was somewhere on the website or help file that we could get a better explanation of what we might be doing wrong in these spots and suggestions for what we can try to fix it.

Hey Punter,

Great program.

One request would be to let us choose multiple (ideally 3-5) custom conditions.

Keep up the great work,

stealthcow-

I forgot to answer that.
For now it's not possible. It was suggested by many though and it's one of the priorities. We are working on new way of presentign strategy input (more tree-like) and it would be natural and easy to do in such layout. It will for sure be possible sooner or later.

I was kind of joking...
I had actually made an excel worksheet working with dll that was doing kind of the same thing but was slow and ****ty compared to this. I was recently considering paying one of my developper friends to make a nicer software out of it, so this is really ****ing nice.

Things that could be improve IMO:
Pf: why not size the bets in BB rather than % of the pot?
Conditions: a graphic visualisation such as a matrix or a tree would be so easier to fill in and better to check for exhaustivity
Position: I'm not sure whether a BT vs blind situation where player 1 acts first preflop but last postflop can be analysed?
Street actions independance: One of the biggest flaws of this type of analysis is the fact that street actions are considered independant when in fact previous actions are essential in determining your actions. Could simple conditions be added such as "if previous street checked" then or "if previous street raised then"?
Common stats: could common stats such as Fold to cbet, fire second barrel, etc... be calculated according to each player strategy?
Graphs: not very essential but pretty cool. One of the things I like about my excel sheet was that I can graph results of player 1 agst player 2 if I ran for exemple 50k random hands. Pretty interesting to know the BB/100 of a particular strategy vs another one but also very interesting to see how variance and graph caracteristics shifts when you change your strategy. For exemple, comparing how c/r turn vs firing a second barrel compete not only in ev but also in standard deviation.
Flop texture: I'm at work so I don't have the software in front of me but I don't remember if conditions could be entered about the flop texture?
For exemple, "if flop drawy then", "if flop is one suit", "if flop is paired", "if flop is Axx". It would be very useful to study more complete strategies.

Anyway, awesome work!

kindju, some awesome suggestions I see there. Some are gonna be tough to implement but it would make the program much more powerful.

As to the "Its too powerful please charge xxxk$ or the games are gonna be dead by tomorrow" : dont be ridiculous. Some midstakes regulars are gonna become better and at the real highstakes people had such programs all along. The games are becoming tougher by the minute, with or without this program widely available. The thing you would have to control is people putting time and effort into improving their game and thats not gonna happen. This program is just another predictable step towards the game being solved quicker for those who actually study.

I'd also like there to be a 'relative' hand strength of any pair

stealthcow-

Wow this looks amazing, downloading

A bug report: if you have your DPI set to anything but default in the display advanced settings (windows XP), the entire UI is chopped off in weird ways. My laptop display resolution is too high to use at default windows XP DPI.

I second the flop texture suggestion - it would make these analyses a lot more useful imo. Great work.

where is the program located when installed?

Very impressive software!!

This is from a hand that came up on another forum, and I just want to be sure I'm using pokerazor/intrepreting the results correctly.

In the hand, hero 4-bet pre-flop with AK and was called. On a low flop, hero checked, villain shoved, and hero called. Hero then posted the hand asking if it was a good call.

Here's what I posted:
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This looks like a good hand for Pokerazor (http://pokerazor.com)

Given the strategy - hero check/calls the flop and villain shoves when checked to (basically - what happened in this hand), this is the range that comes closest to 0 EV for hero.

Board: 7h 2d 6c Dead cards:
Player 1 hands: AdKc
Player 2 hands: JJ+, AK, AQs
Pot: 244 Blinds: 0, 0
Stacks: 281, 281

Results:
Player1: -5.467
Player2: 249.467

Total time: 0.03s

If you think he'll play this way with a wider range than the one listed (which it sounds like is the case given your read of him), then calling his shove is +EV. If he'll only shove with this range or tighter, than calling is -EV.
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I entered Hero's strategy as "Check / Call" and villain's After check strategy as "All-in" and his After bet strategy as "Fold". I then played around with villain's range until I got the one that came closest to 0 EV for hero.

Does all that look right?

You need some install insttructions imo.

I cant get it working. What am i supposed to click on once its installed?

Start > Programs > Pokerazor Software


Welcome to your computer. You shouldnt need instructions for that, imo.

As I was playing around with the program I was thinking this really needs to be a part of the program. Of course then there is the issue of if their checking to trap or pot control or just giving up and I have no idea how you could account for all these.

Opening this thread made me really, really sad that this kind of processing ability is going to become widely available for people who are otherwise too lazy/dumb to figure this kind of stuff out for themselves.

But, hey, I guess that's the miracle of computers.

I'm not knocking OP or anything, I mean, I don't blame him for making something that's gonna make him a boatload of cash. It just sucks is all.

where does the application reference point to?

omfg I have been waiting for software like this. I was actually considering making some sort of attempt to build something like this myself.