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02-12-2008 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ringmaster
Level?
Unfortunately, I don't think so.
02-12-2008 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I am not sure. It's coded in C# and use standard click once installer. I don't think there are any obstacles but it' yet to be seen
So it requires .NET 2.0, yes?

Whatever, I'll install it on the windows box in a day or two... would be nice to know before I bother trying to get it going on the Linux however
02-12-2008 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
Wow this looks impressive.
#2
02-12-2008 , 03:18 AM
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i was wondering what's the main different comparing your product and pokerstove?
? Difficult to comment. Almost no similair things...

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So it requires .NET 2.0, yes?
Yes.
02-12-2008 , 08:36 AM
I'v gone from "WOW awesome!" to "Poker is dead " and back to "WOW awesome!" in 15 minutes.

Can't wait to try this out.
02-12-2008 , 10:26 AM
Lol at people who say poker is dead. In the end all of it are assumptions, which only good players can precisely make, based on reads, tells and so on. What this awesome programm does is a quick math that will make you understand what is the best play given your assumptions. I heard the same thing when chess engines started to beat even World Champions. In the end, the hard working players will always prevail.
02-12-2008 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafpig
Lol at people who say poker is dead. In the end all of it are assumptions, which only good players can precisely make, based on reads, tells and so on. What this awesome programm does is a quick math that will make you understand what is the best play given your assumptions. I heard the same thing when chess engines started to beat even World Champions. In the end, the hard working players will always prevail.
Improving your hand-reading and making good assumptions is largely down to gaining experience. The next step about figuring out the best play given your assumptions is where things can become very tedious and it's the guys who are willing to deal with loads of EV calcs who move ahead of the pack. This program makes that work much easier (for heads-up situations anyway).
02-12-2008 , 11:34 AM

WHY does this not work?
02-12-2008 , 12:13 PM
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WHY does this not work?
Red fields mean that actions are not complete. The program need to know how to respond after being raised after every bet or raise. So for example Check/Call is a complete action as it always close the betting. Bet/Raise/all-in is always complete as it close the betting as well (you can type "a" to get all-in which means calling or betting all-in).
Actions like Check/Raise75% aren't complete because if you got reraised Pokerazor will not know what to do.
Also Bet75% is not complete for very same reason.
I hope this is clear. There are some tutorial examples coming soon though. I am working on them just now.

Also it's in general a good idea to set conditions from the strongest to the weakiest. This is because it's easy to make a mistake in 'air' condition.
Pokerazor works like this : it check if given hand qualify for first (from the top) condition, if yes it does actions for this if not it check another condition etc.
So if you define "air" as empty condition everything will qualify for example. if you do it in order of strength. Say first two pair+, second draws, third other draws the "air" will be naturaly in the last one called "otherwise".
If you are not sure if you did that correctly you can post result here with a description or a save and I will veryfy the results. I would prefer you posting in strategy forum (empty for now ) on our webpage so other people could help you out and we could get some discussion going

Last edited by punter11235; 02-12-2008 at 12:23 PM.
02-12-2008 , 01:11 PM
Thanks a lot! This program def. has potential
I guess your forum is empty because it seems buggy Just created a thread but it does not get shown in the lobby ... however, it exists:
http://pokerazor.com/forum/posts/list/19.page
02-12-2008 , 01:19 PM
very interesting piece of software. A couple of ideas. It would be nice if it could read a HH and extract data from it: blinds, stacks, type of game, actions, pocket cards, board cards, etc. After that you could change these parameters and add actions.

Another useful feature would be adding a intermediate language for conditions+actions (so you could make a batch for several calculations or put one in a faster way). For example something like .F+AIR-C-R75%+HIT-B50%-C .T ... (in flop if air check/raise 75%, if hit bet50%/call; in turn...).

Regards.
02-12-2008 , 02:47 PM
I'd rather pay 500$ for this than 50$. Very nice work.
02-12-2008 , 04:56 PM
SICK program. I will definitely buy it. This will make catching so much faster since I have been doing other stuff last half year.
02-12-2008 , 05:38 PM
yeah i would pay a lot for this. it'd be nice if you came out with a pretty thorough guide on how to use it once the final version is ready.
02-12-2008 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DerekJCEX
yeah i would pay a lot for this. it'd be nice if you came out with a pretty thorough guide on how to use it once the final version is ready.
QFT +1
02-12-2008 , 11:29 PM
Just integrate a addon to wipe the players ass and pass him a drink and they won't ever need to get off their fat as to learn poker.

Good program, fair play for catching a niche, just sucks that programs are slowly doing everything for everyone.
02-13-2008 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NL Newbie
Just integrate a addon to wipe the players ass and pass him a drink and they won't ever need to get off their fat as to learn poker.
i would pay a lot for this
02-13-2008 , 01:18 AM
as would I (at least the drink feeding part.. I can wipe my own ass TY)
02-13-2008 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
as would I (at least the drink feeding part.. I can wipe my own ass TY)
hahahaha yeah that's pretty gay
02-13-2008 , 01:46 AM
Indeed. If the drink-feeding bot could also stop me pokering after ~4 beers it would be worth it's weight in gold
02-13-2008 , 01:49 AM
lol at people think this is going to change poker. This program isn't doing analysis that previously couldn't be done, it's just making it easier.

If you're serious about your game you've done a decent amount of this type of analysis. Sure this program is going to make me better but I don't see how it's going to jump my ptBB by a point. The only player it could really help is those that haven't had the interest to do this type of analysis and have the necessary skills to figure the ranges and will now jump right on it with a program. Seems like a pretty slim section of players.

I spent a few hours tonight playing with the program. I really like it. A video showing us all the tricks would be helpful, it took me a while to figure out how to get what I wanted.
02-13-2008 , 03:48 AM
Nothing will change poker because no one wants to put time into poker. There is a reason it is poker, and that is because people want to just chill and make money.

That will likely never stop.
02-13-2008 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheProdigy
Nothing will change poker because no one wants to put time into poker. There is a reason it is poker, and that is because people want to just chill and make money.

That will likely never stop.
if funny when i read that last line
sure it is, until villian suckout....lol
02-13-2008 , 12:30 PM
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very interesting piece of software. A couple of ideas. It would be nice if it could read a HH and extract data from it: blinds, stacks, type of game, actions, pocket cards, board cards, etc. After that you could change these parameters and add actions.
This is nice featuer. Thanks for the suggestion. We will put it on the to-do list.

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I'd rather pay 500$ for this than 50$. Very nice work.
This is still issue to resolve.. any other suggestions ?
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lol at people think this is going to change poker. This program isn't doing analysis that previously couldn't be done, it's just making it easier.
It's always hard to say what "could" be done before. Theoretically you could solve chess using paper and pencil by writing down all possible variations... It's hard to argue about if anything can be done now which couldn't be done before. For sure the scope of what is "realistic" will be wider for dedicated players (and we are not done with the program; just wait for next features).

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I spent a few hours tonight playing with the program. I really like it. A video showing us all the tricks would be helpful, it took me a while to figure out how to get what I wanted.
I am currently working on the tutorial and and we have someone contacting us about video tutorial too.
02-13-2008 , 12:42 PM
Wow this looks scary

      
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