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Old 06-21-2012, 04:39 PM   #16
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

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I have tested HM2 a few months ago, and i was pretty disappointed, mainly because of the lag and other perfomance issues. Still, iam always interested in having the best available software and therefor iam willing to try HM 2 again. Also the positive
I have some questions though:
1)Dont wanna be forced to set up my monstrous hud manually. Does the import of the HM1 hud now work without any bugs?
It works but there may be some manual editing that needs to be done since a lot of stats have had their names changed in HM2 to make them easier to understand. If any of your HM1 stats have changed you will need to edit your HM2 HUD after importing it from HM1. We did this to make the stats easier to understand and have a more uniform naming convention in HM2.


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2)Does street by street Hud work for ongame?
Not currently but it is on our list of projects to fix/implement in the future.

The previously assigned internal ticket # on this issue is HM-4331: Live tracking not works in Ongame

If you want to be notified when it is fixed please send an email to support@holdemmanager.com and include "Notify Me When HM-4331 Is Resolved" in the subject line and body of the email.


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3)Is note caddy working properly now?
As was previously mentioned it should be working fine. If there are any particular problems you have with the app please post them in our NoteCaddy forum and we will help you to resolve them - http://forums.holdemmanager.com/notecaddy/
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:45 PM   #17
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And about this in-memory total caching - it makes virtually improssible simple integration with HM2 on DB level. HUD data (player notes in particular) just don't resync with DB at all, so if some notes were added/updated into DB directly by third-party tool, it won't appear in HUD until the whole HoldemManager2 application is restarted.

Yes, I know Integration API is not ready nor even planned, but we cannot wait another year for that, there is a bunch of utilities and extensions we support and required for regular play. There is no such problems with HM1,PT3,PT4, all of them eventually resync with DB.

I've sent a feedback to include this resync feature to be enabled by some setting, criteria or at least on-demand button. Otherwise, no "hacks" are possible to make it work.
The API documentation is next on the list for our lead developer after his current project so it should be coming sooner rather than later. Any specifics you can give us on features/tools in the 3rd party apps you reference would be helpful to make sure we include everything necessary when working on this project. We need you to be as specific as possible about what sort of integration or extensions you need to see in HM2.
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I use it and it works fine. Any bugs that have cropped up have been cared for promptly with timely updates.
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The API documentation is next on the list for our lead developer after his current project so it should be coming sooner rather than later. Any specifics you can give us on features/tools in the 3rd party apps you reference would be helpful to make sure we include everything necessary when working on this project. We need you to be as specific as possible about what sort of integration or extensions you need to see in HM2.
Thank you very much for quick response and such good news! I was trying to crack into some workaround for a several days already.

In fact, any way to tell HUD to resync its data with HM2 database would be good (I personally is interested only in simple notes from player_notes table and may be icon shown in HUD - for the future). If it can be done automatically based on some criteria (the first that comes to mind is to check player_notes#date_created - but it'd better be something like "date_modified" - if it is newer than current version in HUD - refresh it, thus check might be done every couple of minutes or when user tries to modify note in HUD) or configuration setting (if resync performance is a risk - just disable it by default and enable only explicitly by any configuration means) would be fantastic.

As for details of the 3rd party software. In couple of words: it's an open source project that integrates with online ranking systems (OPR, SharkScope, ProLabs, PTR etc), does some analysis and generates player notes to be saved into local HUD DB directly (any kind of HUD DB) by means of direct SQL queries.
This screenshot (sorry for Russian lables there) - says most about its functionality: http://s019.radikal.ru/i628/1206/dd/29d2511dc09a.jpg

Not much info in English right now ( https://sourceforge.net/p/usunpokertools/wiki/Home/ - moderator may remove it if feels it's right thing to do ). Main info is in Russian right now ( http://ru.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...hreadid=603065 - please remove if it is a link to the illegal resource here).

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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

Thank you for the feedback. I have forwarded your comments to the developers so if the moderators need to edit your posts for any reason they can feel free to do so.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:28 PM   #21
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

my HEM 1 buggered up so I ended up buying HEM 2, not sure if there is a support thread on 2+2 but is there a way I can set a default HUD?
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:50 AM   #22
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

most bugs are now fixed on HM2 and it's obviously much better than HM2 AINEC
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:42 AM   #23
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

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Hello.

I am a smaller stakes player who play NL25-50 normally, currently building a roll on cake, I was wondering if holdem manager2 is worth getting for me when i have HEM1. What kind of benefits do there come compared to HEM1 and is it worth it for a small stakes player that 6 tables.

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I have used HM2 for 11 months now, this is my opinion:

HM2 Pros vs HM1:
+ Faster import speeds
+ Faster loading reports
+++ Notecaddy integration
+- Manual Sync database to the cloud (useless for me since it's manual. other/better options out there for auto sync)
+ More stats
++ Reset HUD stats (Very useful if you play at some site with anonymous tables)

HM2 Cons vs HM1:
- Still crashes every other session at v7026 (internal version btw)
-- UI is much slower (changing tabs, OMG Replayer! I would pay a few extra bucks for HM1 "snappiness" in HM2)
- Filters layout


A bunch of other small pros/cons that are not worth mentioning, you have to try it for your self.

When if first come out and for the first 6 months it had a lot of bugs, really A LOT. But now it's pretty good, i haven't used HM1 since 3 months i think.
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:47 AM   #24
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my HEM 1 buggered up so I ended up buying HEM 2, not sure if there is a support thread on 2+2 but is there a way I can set a default HUD?
HUD Options > Site Options. I see Fozzy already replied to this question in the support thread. It is best to post support related questions there.

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Old 06-23-2012, 10:05 PM   #25
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HM1 vs HM2

How many of you guys are using HM1 vs HM2?

While the theme for HM2 is nice, I feel like I like the graphs of HM1 better and I still think HM2 runs slower.
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:40 PM   #26
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Re: HM1 vs HM2

yea im thinking of switching back to HEM1 or PT4, at least until they will fix all the binking in HUD and lagging (really tilting). I hate it when its not "in a perfect flow" like HEM1 is.
Also stack sizes in replayer are too small, stats are too far away, seems like everything is not as good as in HEM1 (aside form new stats obv).
Its kind of a shame that they`ve done a whole new programm, just because they`ve added like 20 new stats (which couldve obviosuly just added to the old HEM1, but oh well, you gottna make $ right)
And i wouldnt even mind paying that additional money for HEM guys for those new stats really if it was HEM1 + new stats = pay that 100-150$ or w/e, but leave the software alone, cose it was perfect. Really shame imo
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:43 PM   #27
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

HM2 Cons vs HM1:

-- UI is much slower (changing tabs, OMG Replayer! I would pay a few extra bucks for HM1 "snappiness" in HM2)


man I would pay them 500$ if they just left HEM1 layout/replayer/non-lagginess as you call it "snappiness" and just add those additional stats (also faster hand import speed is obv good thing).
COME ON CREATORS DO SOMETHING about this
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Old 06-24-2012, 07:04 PM   #28
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Re: HM1 vs HM2

I dont like to say it but compared to HEm1 it really really sucks.. makes me tilt when i see it and use it. They implemented so much fancy stuff that nobody needs .. (like adding blogs and updates from Cardplayers etc ) and now it just lags everywhere. and im running quite a big machine with SSD.

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Old 06-24-2012, 10:21 PM   #29
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I dont like to say it but compared to HEm1 it really really sucks.. makes me tilt when i see it and use it. They implemented so much fancy stuff that nobody needs .. (like adding blogs and updates from Cardplayers etc ) and now it just lags everywhere. and im running quite a big machine with SSD.

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+1 million :/
Every ssnl/msnl reg i know shares pretty much the same oppinion
These guys seriously need to reconsider/fix these issues with tools like pt4 out there if dont want to lose big chunk of their customers in the long run.

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Old 06-25-2012, 04:22 PM   #30
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Re: Holdem manager 2 vs 1

I have 8 gigs of ram and hm2 stops working randomly after a few hours at times. It's generally sluggish. I don't like the usability of the graphs as much as hm1... i.e. when you zoom a graph, it doesn't zero it out like hm1 does. It's pretty though. I like the hud/popup designer tweaks, lots easier to do on the fly now. However once they work the bugs out it will be better than hm1 and HM Sync is the nuts (and is the whole reason I made the jump from hm1.)

I tried PT4 and it seemed pretty polished. I like the UI. But it's more of a tweaker's kind of software. I didn't feel like taking a bunch of time to replicate the reports that come out of the box with HM2 in addition to any further customizing.

I'd say try them both and decide for yourself.
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