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Old 01-24-2008, 01:47 AM   #76
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

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So why is PO officially allowed by PS while they explicitly ban datamining?? Makes no sense.
E-mail them and post what they say.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:16 PM   #77
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How? It only lets me open 30 tables at a time...
Photoshop FTW!
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:20 PM   #78
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Photoshop FTW!
I don't think so.
I accidentally discovered how can I do this too.
So lately I am mining 100+ tables too.
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Old 02-01-2008, 04:57 AM   #79
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

I was curious myself so I asked pokerstars why poker office was still allowed. This is how they responded.

Thank you for your email and your feedback. The Poker Office software has recently been reviewed and has been deemed acceptable for user with PokerStars. Rest assure that the decision was not taken lightly and all matters pertaining said program were reviewed before arriving to this depiction. If there is anything else we may help you with, please let us know. Regards, VielkaPokerStars Support Team
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:46 AM   #80
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I was curious myself so I asked pokerstars why poker office was still allowed. This is how they responded.

Thank you for your email and your feedback. The Poker Office software has recently been reviewed and has been deemed acceptable for user with PokerStars. Rest assure that the decision was not taken lightly and all matters pertaining said program were reviewed before arriving to this depiction. If there is anything else we may help you with, please let us know. Regards, VielkaPokerStars Support Team
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will be emailing Stars once wake up tomorrow

Not happy.

"So long as you use PokerOffice, it is fine to datamine stars - PokerTracker and HoldemManager users - don't dare datamine else you'll risk banning!"

I hope this is a made up jopke post

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Old 02-02-2008, 01:48 AM   #81
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

L.
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Really?
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:11 AM   #82
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

Reply to my email from PS:

Thank you for your Email. I will try to explain in more detail why Poker
Office is permitted but SHH is not.

SHH is not permitted because its purpose and intent is to allow
datamining. Poker Office is permitted because its primary intent and
function is as a HUD and hand history analysis tool. Its
datamining "capability" is incidental to its primary function, and it is
not sold or promoted as a dataminer.

The use of this particular feature of Poker Office (the ability to include
hands in its database in which the player did not participate) is actually
permitted within the spirit of our rules. It is perfectly acceptable to
open 4 tables, place yourself on all 4 waiting lists, and let Poker Office
watch the games until your seat becomes available, then using the brief
amount of data gathered in the past few minutes to decide whether to take
the seat. While this may technically be against the letter of the law, it
is well within the spirit of the law.

What is not permitted is to open up two dozen tables and walk away from
your computer while it datamines volumes of data on a wide swath of
players for extended periods of time.... even using Poker Office.

This is the only purpose of SHH, which is why it is permitted. This is a
secondary, unintended possibility in Poker Office, whose primary function
is far different, which is why Poker Office is permitted in general.

In short, Poker Office as a whole is OK, but if you use it for purposes
that violate the terms of service (i.e. datamining) you will still get
into trouble when we detect you doing so.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

Best Regards,

Jeff
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:15 AM   #83
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

wow.

paging pokerstarsJeff for a proper explanation on this.

if it is fine to datamine with pokeroffice "while awaiting a seat" or I guess "while selecting tables" - then this script is fine (and I'll post a superior version for all) and SSH should be fine!

Posted in the IG forum thrtead where Jeff seems to be responding about this.

It is imo ridiculous using PO to datamine is fine, yet PT+SSH (or AHK) is a bannable offence.

Given how superior PokerTracker and HoldemManager are in the area of tracking, I'd be confident the only valuer in PokerOffice is as a legal Stars mining application - which if true, make it a bargain.

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Old 02-03-2008, 01:15 AM   #84
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so, as long as you dont promote your product as a dataminer then it's ok?

surprised _dave_ hasn't locked this thread since he became a mod and hates people who "cheat" by mining stars

edit: lol, there you are dave, right on time
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:26 AM   #85
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not gonna lock, this has become far too interesting

and I don't necesarrily hate people who mine stars - I primarily hate the fact I can not do so without risking my account, so only cheats benefit. I monthy winner/loser posts from the miners
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:27 AM   #86
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

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Reply to my email from PS:

Thank you for your Email. I will try to explain in more detail why Poker
Office is permitted but SHH is not.
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Best Regards,

Double-Talking Puppet

PokerStars Game Jokurity
FYP


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Given how superior PokerTracker and HoldemManager are in the area of tracking, I'd be confident the only valuer in PokerOffice is as a legal Stars mining application - which if true, makes it an application targeted at data-miners (as that is it's only true value) and should be banned, by Jeff's own definition.
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not gonna lock, this has become far too interesting

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You should lock it before I get myself banned. I had to edit myself a few times when renaming Jeff from Stars int he FYP of the email.

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Old 02-03-2008, 01:29 AM   #87
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

one may lol - but this is Jeff - head honcho

pls to be demanding answers in IG forum.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:06 AM   #88
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

I agree - I want answers too. Trying to have a little fun while we wait for an answer.

I really hope what ever he has to say - is better than what that quoted e-mail said.

Last edited by fozzy71; 02-03-2008 at 02:07 AM. Reason: He could be a politician, with those types of answers.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:15 AM   #89
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Re: Data Mining PokerStars

heh, Jeff is no politician - see the TeddyFBI "my mom is accused of botting" thread

I'm pretty sure Jeff is an honorable & honest PS employee
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:38 AM   #90
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Reply to my email from PS:
... Poker Office is permitted because its primary intent and
function is as a HUD and hand history analysis tool. Its
datamining "capability" is incidental to its primary function, and it is
not sold or promoted as a dataminer.
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I seem to remember Josh saying somewhere that PAHUD already could datamine PS but doesn't because of Stars T&C. Sounds like PS are saying it's ok after all.
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