Jeff, thank you for responding so promptly.
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Originally Posted by PokerStarsJeff
I suggest you re-read what I wrote. Steel101 is grossly misrepresenting it, as what I wrote very explicitly says that you *may not* use Poker Office to datamine.
Again, please re-read what I wrote most carefully. It lays out very specifically what activity is and is not permitted, and delineates the difference between the activity and the capability of the software.
To clarify, it doesn't matter WHAT the primary purpose of the program is. If you use it for datamining, you're breaking the TOS, and when (not if) you're caught, you'll face sanctions.
I have read your post many times trying to make sense of it.
PokerOffice *will* datamine, if it is running and you have a table open, if you are waiting for a seat to open, or even if you are waiting to post your blind in turn.
I know it is not the real meaning of the term "datamining", but I suspect you know the context in which it is used here - that is the act of recording observed hand histories for database import and future data mining.
It is therefore almost impossible to *not* datamine using the "tracker" PokerOffice. over time, these people will build up a large number of additional hands.
If you read all my posts in this thread, you will see I am really not happy with AHK being used to datamine Stars - I program lots of AHK, and I play almost exclusively on Stars - and I do not datamine, since it is against the rules. We have yet to see a report in this thread of people even receiving a warning for mining with this script.
This thread therefore annoys me on many levels, since AHK is being used for purposes against the rules of my favorite site, rule-breakers are not being punished, and now we get this strange email where apparently dataminig is fine if it is only for a few hands while waiting for a seat???
It is a huge advantage to open 12 tables for 10 minutes, grab a coffee while mining the stats and then select the best for waitlisting - one which is recommended practice on FTP and Party, but something I believed was outright banned at PokerStars... now we learn different - it is OK if it is pokeroffice being used???
As I quoted in the other thread, "ask them to remove this feature or ban them" - and start warning people who do datamine using this script, PokerOffice, or any of the other available tools (other than SSH or StarSpy, which I believe are detected / warned at this time). even if you detect multiple copy/paste on the IHH window if need be lol.
At this point, honest players are at a serious disadvantage to those who do not play by the rules.
Alternatively allow datamining - personally I'd rather not see this, but in the light of recent superuser scandals it may be a good idea...