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FWIW, those who have said if you want to datamine, just go to FT, that's not really true either. It's actually against their TOS as well.

From http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/site-terms:

8. ... Full Tilt Poker defines an unfair advantage as a user accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the user has personally observed through his or her own game play.

01-15-2008 , 01:22 AM

#52

P1zza_Man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moldman

PWND

also, thought this was funny

01-15-2008 , 01:30 AM

#53

_dave_

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

wow you are mining 332 tables! impressive!

how many bb/100 do you think this cheating help you by? why do you not just multi-account/collude? Surely it is more +EV?

01-15-2008 , 01:33 AM

#54

P1zza_Man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by _dave_

wow you are mining 332 tables! impressive!

how many bb/100 do you think this cheating help you by? why do you not just multi-account/collude? Surely it is more +EV?

lol, obv opened that many tables to make it LOL ... obv not datamining

01-15-2008 , 02:13 AM

#55

skip8118

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 451

How much would it cost for a sample of like 20k hands?

01-15-2008 , 07:06 AM

#56

Thrahl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skip8118

How much would it cost for a sample of like 20k hands?

There is a guy that offers this service for a monthly fee. You get like 50k HH's a month for whatever buy in level you choose. I had his name in my PM box but when the forums got upgraded old PMs went bye bye.

01-15-2008 , 08:13 AM

#57

Lateksi

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 853

Quote:

Originally Posted by moldman

FWIW, those who have said if you want to datamine, just go to FT, that's not really true either. It's actually against their TOS as well.

From http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/site-terms

8. ... Full Tilt Poker defines an unfair advantage as a user accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the user has personally observed through his or her own game play.

I've never noticed that before; has Full Tilt made any kind of official stance on their datamining policy? FTP's prohibited software list doesn't include any of the popular datamining tools, table openers, etc. and I don't think they've ever taken any kind of action against people datamining (correct me if I'm mistaken)

01-15-2008 , 09:07 AM

#58

choccypie

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,713

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1zza_Man

PWND

also, thought this was funny

Don't tell me you manually opened all those tables on Stars lol...

01-15-2008 , 09:22 AM

#59

P1zza_Man

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choccypie

Don't tell me you manually opened all those tables on Stars lol...

yeah lol, pretty much a beat to me b/c it took awhile but still fun for comedic use for this thread

01-15-2008 , 09:49 AM

#60

StarsHHMiner

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrahl

That is a horrible size of hands for a $20 fee. I'm offering 140k hands for a $30 fee (5k hands per day for a month) of any limit.

01-15-2008 , 11:47 AM

#61

moldman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lateksi

I haven't heard/read anything specifically from them about it, but do they have to? It's in their TOS after all. Personally, I'm not sure the likelihood that they'll be able to catch someone who does, BUT given their proclivity to close accounts without warning and seize funds, I personally don't think it's worth the risk.

01-15-2008 , 12:07 PM

#62

eastern motors

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moldman

The people that mine are also the ones that play tons of tables/hands so I don't think the sites are going to be super interested in banning them. Pretending that they care gives them the best of both worlds.

01-15-2008 , 09:30 PM

#63

a nonymous

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choccypie

Don't tell me you manually opened all those tables on Stars lol...

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1zza_Man

yeah lol, pretty much a beat to me b/c it took awhile but still fun for comedic use for this thread

lol

Not worth it imo.

But I appreciate the effort.

01-15-2008 , 10:18 PM

#64

king_nothing_

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Quote:

Originally Posted by P1zza_Man

How? It only lets me open 30 tables at a time...

01-15-2008 , 11:23 PM

#65

fozzy71

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Prolly cuz u are logged in to the client.

Last edited by fozzy71; 01-15-2008 at 11:32 PM. Reason: wouldnt know, never tried... just an educated guess.

01-16-2008 , 07:56 AM

#66

king_nothing_

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Doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not. It won't let me open more than 30 tables either way.

Someone help?

01-16-2008 , 08:50 AM

#67

P1zza_Man

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why would i help you open that many tables ... there is no reason that you would need to open that many tables unless you were going to do something that was against the TOS

01-16-2008 , 12:36 PM

#68

AmorJogo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tweed _Man

Poker office datmines all open tables automatically

Can PO also do this for tables which you are not playing on yourself ?

Is there even a Program that allows you to select criteria and datamine all tables fitting that criteria, without needing to participate in all those tables ?

I'd love to know which program could do this. I've got PokerTracer AND PokerOffice, but haven't found out how do to it with those programs though, if anyone could explain me, that would be great !

Thanks !

01-16-2008 , 07:41 PM

#69

king_nothing_

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Quote:

Originally Posted by P1zza_Man

why would i help you open that many tables ... there is no reason that you would need to open that many tables unless you were going to do something that was against the TOS

I just want to open hundreds of tables and take a screenshot of it so I can hopefully be as cool as you. That's all.

01-16-2008 , 10:47 PM

#70

notneo

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1zza_Man

why would i help you open that many tables ... there is no reason that you would need to open that many tables unless you were going to do something that was against the TOS

I'm sure you opened over 300 tables manually for a laugh mate.

01-17-2008 , 06:20 AM

#71

Savaron

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I cant open moren than 30 table at once too, but if you wait like a minute, you can again open 30 tables...

01-17-2008 , 06:40 AM

#72

Lateksi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moldman

I haven't heard/read anything specifically from them about it, but do they have to?

Considering the amount of people datamining Full Tilt, the abundance of software for that specific purpose (which they allow, too), and all the posts and discussions all over poker forums about FTP mining... no, I guess they don't have to, but they definitely should, no matter what their TOS say.

It's like "hey don't do it... but we don't care"