****WSOP Omaha/8 Thread**** Post updates and cheerleading!

[sangaman]

Got 10th in the 3k PLO8, made it to unofficial final table. PL/NLO8 is my main game fwiw I just don't post here much. TY to anyone who sweated or supported.

[shbball7]

gg sanga had tons of battles on ftp or stars i dont remember which

[sajeffe]

Nice job, sangaman! Congrats!

[Andy Dufrense]

Yea, good job Sanga, u had a real short stack and grinded it back up, well done. I think u were the one I gave u ur hat back.

[bakyka]

Congratz!

[sangaman]

Cool yeah I did have a hat given back to me after the break to 3 tables. I used to play both FT and stars but mostly FT, have a lot locked up there now.

After a lot of pondering I think I made a suboptimal play at final table which is nagging me a bit but oh well.

[billygstar]

Originally Posted by sangaman

Cool yeah I did have a hat given back to me after the break to 3 tables. I used to play both FT and stars but mostly FT, have a lot locked up there now.

After a lot of pondering I think I made a suboptimal play at final table which is nagging me a bit but oh well.

congrats....how much did u get for 10th

no doubt i know you from stars or ftp. was sangaman your user name there?

[billygstar]

How good or bad was the final table? an 2+2ers there?

[sangaman]

20.5k for 10th. Final table was pretty decent I think, don't know of any other 2p2ers there but I didn't ask or anything.

[billygstar]

Originally Posted by sangaman

20.5k for 10th. Final table was pretty decent I think, don't know of any other 2p2ers there but I didn't ask or anything.

aye well done still but i guess your still pretty gutted getting so close..just winnit next year

[LimpDitka]

Originally Posted by sangaman

After a lot of pondering I think I made a suboptimal play at final table which is nagging me a bit but oh well.

Discuss...

[sangaman]

Originally Posted by shbball7

gg sanga had tons of battles on ftp or stars i dont remember which

What was your name on those sites?

Originally Posted by LimpDitka

Discuss...

SB with 95k at final table, early position makes it 42k (8/16). I had A459ss. I should have folded because my hand just wasn't that strong, not doing well against A2/A3 hands particularly, and there was still a bit of value in my tournament life even though I was the shortstack at the only remaining table. BB was the 2nd shortstack and I was pretty sure he was going to fold mainly since he wouldn't want to get involved unnecessarily and bubble the official final table and pay jump before I did.

My plan was to take the 34k to win 58k pot odds preflop and shove if I hit any piece of the flop. It left me with enough that I could still double to a reasonable amount or maybe get folds from blinds if they have trashy hands, but I get more folds with a stack of 87k than a stack of 53k. The flop came J83r, I had some equity with 2nd nut low draw and a running flush draw but I'm really getting so crushed by A2 with a pair or kicker better than 9, which he has very often, so I check folded and felt dirty. In retrospect, that was a gamble I just didn't need to take and my hand was doing pretty poorly equity wise against his range, even though A45 and a suit is pretty. If my hand is just slightly stronger, I think it's OK since I am doing better equity-wise and will also have to check-fold fewer flops. I actually thought his raise was to 37k at first which got me thinking I might be priced into calling, and frankly I think calling 37k wouldn't have been as questionable as 42k. I do think calling is better than raising pre since I have 0 fold equity, but probably not better than folding. At best it was just a risk I didn't need to take, I had lots of free hands coming up with potentially better spots and there's definitely some equity in the chance I back my way into the final 9 which brings a pay jump and "official" final table status.

I think I was too focused on getting chips - I'm a cash game player at heart - and at that point I was mainly concerned with winning. A bigger stack wouldn't have made a difference on my bustout hand if things went the same way, since I don't think AT27 would've folded to me either way, but that hand has been nagging me anyway. Overall though I was very happy with my play and I'm looking forward to playing future years. I busted a few spots off the bubble in the 5k last year with AA24 vs AA48 ai pre for a sizable pot which stung, so I was glad to run a bit better and break through this year.

One thing that really sucked about the FT redraw is that I had to post the bb of 16k two hands in a row and got trash both times... so detrimental to my short stack.

[AllInNTheDark]

Originally Posted by sangaman

My plan was to take the 34k to win 58k pot odds preflop and shove if I hit any piece of the flop.

At best it was just a risk I didn't need to take, I had lots of free hands coming up with potentially better spots and there's definitely some equity in the chance I back my way into the final 9 which brings a pay jump and "official" final table status.

A bigger stack wouldn't have made a difference on my bustout hand if things went the same way, since I don't think AT27 would've folded to me either way, but that hand has been nagging me anyway. Overall though I was very happy with my play and I'm looking forward to playing future years.

One thing that really sucked about the FT redraw is that I had to post the bb of 16k two hands in a row and got trash both times... so detrimental to my short stack.

Nice run. Far be it from me to criticize someone who was on the FT (official or not). However, I think you are correct that it probably would have been better to fold PF. It's not a good enough hand to strongly hit many flops and ICM is strongly in favor of folding even many better hands in that spot. The ugly 9 and only one suit seem to reinforce that, as does the blinds now passing you (as you said, free hands coming up). As played, I think you made a smart fold on the flop. Although you probably could justify a flop call strictly by chip equity, ICM again would say otherwise, and any odds you were getting were likely quite small in your favor, if at all.

Good that it didn't make a difference in the end. You must have played pretty well to get that far.

The double blind at that level is rather unlucky. I always like it when I'm, say, 4th when it gets down to two tables and not only do the 1-3 players get seated at my table, but they are the three players directly to my left.

[sangaman]

Originally Posted by AllInNTheDark

Nice run. Far be it from me to criticize someone who was on the FT (official or not). However, I think you are correct that it probably would have been better to fold PF. It's not a good enough hand to strongly hit many flops and ICM is strongly in favor of folding even many better hands in that spot. The ugly 9 and only one suit seem to reinforce that, as does the blinds now passing you (as you said, free hands coming up). As played, I think you made a smart fold on the flop. Although you probably could justify a flop call strictly by chip equity, ICM again would say otherwise, and any odds you were getting were likely quite small in your favor, if at all.

Good that it didn't make a difference in the end. You must have played pretty well to get that far.

The double blind at that level is rather unlucky. I always like it when I'm, say, 4th when it gets down to two tables and not only do the 1-3 players get seated at my table, but they are the three players directly to my left.

I haven't run any odds yet since last night was my first time in front of a computer in a week, but my hand was 41.46% preflop against top 10% hands and 34.25% on the flop. Strictly speaking in terms of pot odds, I needed to be 25.73% on the flop and 34% preflop. I'm doing a tiny bit better preflop than I expected and quite a bit better postflop. However, I do think there's some chance he would check behind when he totally whiffs the flop (A3 with bad side cards?) so ~34% is about best case scenario for me on the flop given that he potted. It's not a terrible play to fold even if I know I'm 34% given ICM and given my free hands coming up but, by that same reasoning, it's likely better to just fold preflop. Anyhow, I feel a little bit better seeing I was doing pretty decent preflop against a strong range, offset somewhat by seeing I might have folded more equity than I thought on the flop.

Making FT does not necessarily = playing well although I felt I did regardless, and I actually thought the other players who made FT that were at my earlier tables played pretty decently too. The players I played with in the 5k last year were quite a bit worse even on d2 (and I'd personally seen a couple people who made the FT make blatantly bad plays), but that might have just been luck of the draw.

[AllInNTheDark]

Originally Posted by sangaman

I haven't run any odds yet since last night was my first time in front of a computer in a week, but my hand was 41.46% preflop against top 10% hands and 34.25% on the flop. Strictly speaking in terms of pot odds, I needed to be 25.73% on the flop and 34% preflop. I'm doing a tiny bit better preflop than I expected and quite a bit better postflop. However, I do think there's some chance he would check behind when he totally whiffs the flop (A3 with bad side cards?) so ~34% is about best case scenario for me on the flop given that he potted. It's not a terrible play to fold even if I know I'm 34% given ICM and given my free hands coming up but, by that same reasoning, it's likely better to just fold preflop. Anyhow, I feel a little bit better seeing I was doing pretty decent preflop against a strong range, offset somewhat by seeing I might have folded more equity than I thought on the flop.

Agree with bolded. You didn't have enough behind to generate much fold equity after flop. In that spot, when you check, villain will basically be betting every time. Even if he has A3T6 or something, he knows he DOES have fold equity due to ICM and, apart from that, enough equity to get it in there. It's just not a strong hand and your implied odds are horrible. If you're calling with that hand PF for ~40% of your stack on the basis of implied odds, you may need 3+ opponents in that spot to make it even close to worthwhile. I think you either want BB in to give you better odds on a possible flush or miracle flop (A92,A93,23x), or you want to get it in PF to drive BB out and promote your weak high & low while not being forced to give up equity on the flop. However, ICM says fold fold fold.