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Would you bet the river? (limit O8) Would you bet the river? (limit O8)

03-02-2015 , 05:37 PM
$30/60 9 handed OE game (live)

My image: tight/aggressive but not getting very involved (pretty card dead)

Villain 1: tight/aggressive

Villain 2: weak/tight (poor reader of hands)

I limp utg with A266 double suited(nut spades + a club draw), one player calls, MP V1 raises and three players call behind him including V2 from the Button, I call.

On the flop, the only players remaining in this hand are myself and both villains.

FLOP 859 with two clubs/one spade

I decided to just lead out giving ~some degree of uncertainty about my hand, someone folds, V1 calls, a few folds in between and then V2 calls from the Button.

TURN 7 spade

So, now I have the nut low with a redraw to the nut flush. I bet and now V1 raises, V2 pauses and calls, I call.

RIVER rainbow 6

I decided to bet out. My reasoning was that, I read V1 for A2+pair and I wasn't really sure what V2 had, but, going by his slight hesitation on the turn, I thought that he had a middling type hand(like two pair+ A3 or similar). And although all the straights got there, I thought there was good enough value to just lead out with nut low/trips. However, the downside to that is, if V1 has a straight, he's most definitely going to raise and in this 3 handed pot, now I'm losing money and value if/when V2 folds a losing hand that he may have called one bet with.

Does anyone go for the thin value and just lead right out? Or is this better as a check/ call spot so that we can A) lessen the blow for when our high isn't good and B) get the overcall from V2? It didn't feel right checking the end with this hand. Thoughts?
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03-02-2015 , 05:57 PM
I would check call all 3 streets here. You have no high and a good chance of being quartered given the action.
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03-02-2015 , 06:54 PM
i think you played it fine, but i would c/c river. i would donk/call river with a club flush, c/r spade flush, and c/c everything else besides a's and 2's.

Last edited by steveistheman84; 03-02-2015 at 07:02 PM.
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03-02-2015 , 11:14 PM
How are we not 3! the turn? With any black card we make a flush, which will be good more times than not, obviously spades more than clubs. If I see another player take 2 to the face and we're freerolling for a flush in either suit, we should be jamming.

Once we brick on the river, a c/c is fine because no one is folding a straight, in this situation.

Btw, I like to limp/3! with these types of hands so we can accrue some dead money for the times we do get 1/4ed, we still make a little money.
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03-03-2015 , 12:01 AM
Don't you have three 6s or am I misreading the river?
With nut low and 3 of a kind on that board, I bet out.
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03-03-2015 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
How are we not 3! the turn? With any black card we make a flush, which will be good more times than not, obviously spades more than clubs. If I see another player take 2 to the face and we're freerolling for a flush in either suit, we should be jamming.
ran some equities earlier that made me think jamming wasn't such a good idea. can't figure out what the hell i ran.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
1,470,528 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 8597
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
as2c6s6c36.09% 19,552325,836067,7121,362,880
jtaw31.59% 7,936883,33286415,87285,760
ac2hqc*32.32% 0260,49686422,5281,360,960
i agree, b/3b turn
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03-03-2015 , 01:35 AM
I'm reading that as a 36% favorite, right?!
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03-03-2015 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
$30/60 9 handed OE game (live)

My image: tight/aggressive but not getting very involved (pretty card dead)

Villain 1: tight/aggressive

Villain 2: weak/tight (poor reader of hands)

[snip]

It didn't feel right checking the end with this hand. Thoughts?
I think betting the river is correct if your assessment of V2 as "weak/tight" is accurate. The reason is a weak/tight opponent might fold a non-nut straight.

If you get raised, call and hope you don't get quartered or sixthed for low.

Buzz
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03-03-2015 , 03:23 AM
I like the flop and the turn. We may have a very tiny equity edge on the turn, but no reason to expose ourselves to a cap and give away information OOP by 3betting.

The river is very interesting... I do prefer a c/c though. I think V2 can definitely have JTxx here which even a weak-tight player should know to raise 3way in this spot. It seems hard for V1 to have us beaten for the hi given his pre-flop raise from middle position (should exclude most of the middling straight/set cards), but hands like ATJ2, A542 are definitely possible. We are usually splitting the lo, our hi is questionable, and there are plenty of reasonable hands which can raise us on the river.
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03-03-2015 , 08:48 AM
Check river. Can't think what V1 would check behind. If bet, call, or bet fold then raise. If bet, raise then call. Fear of being quartered overdone. If it's not obvious go for the raise.
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03-03-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
I like the flop and the turn. We may have a very tiny equity edge on the turn, but no reason to expose ourselves to a cap and give away information OOP by 3betting.
it's slight, but it's in pretty much the worst possible scenario (up against another nut low + nut club draw, and a nut straight with lo counterfeiting potential). i was pretty surprised to be as much of a favorite as we are in this situation. take any of the above listed possibilities out of the equation and our equity should increase quite a bit. and getting exposed to a cap shouldn't be of any concern other than variance.
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03-04-2015 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
it's slight, but it's in pretty much the worst possible scenario (up against another nut low + nut club draw, and a nut straight with lo counterfeiting potential). i was pretty surprised to be as much of a favorite as we are in this situation. take any of the above listed possibilities out of the equation and our equity should increase quite a bit. and getting exposed to a cap shouldn't be of any concern other than variance.
If you want the middle hand to be JTA + wheel card it's JTA$W in propokertools. I think they changed it at some point. It's still 34% and even if it was JT34 type of hand you still have 33%.
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03-05-2015 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dire wolf
Don't you have three 6s or am I misreading the river?
With nut low and 3 of a kind on that board, I bet out.
I did river trip 6's but do you really like that board for trips(56789)?

Once I got raised on the turn, I felt that MP also had an A2, now I have to decipher the rest of his hand as well as the button's. Come to think of it, I think the 6 is a pretty bad card because now there's even a better chance for completing more straights.

I def think I jumped the gun on the end because once MP raised the turn, if he has A2(which I was almost certain that he did) then I stand to be faced with another raise on the river even by non-nut straights. I think going for the overcall from the button(who seemed a bit unsure about his hand to begin with) would've been the better play.
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03-06-2015 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
i think you played it fine, but i would c/c river. i would donk/call river with a club flush, c/r spade flush, and c/c everything else besides a's and 2's.
Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by dire wolf
Don't you have three 6s or am I misreading the river?
With nut low and 3 of a kind on that board, I bet out.
You're doing it wrong.
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