What do you guys think about 2-3-x hands? - Page 4 - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

Kittens · 06-20-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain R

In LO8 you have community cards plus your 4-card starting hand, so basically the attribute of this is that you read your hand from the nuts up to the worst card. If the board is 8-6-5-K-K, you announce your low as "Ace-deuce" or "Ace-trey" or whatever.

In Stud8, for example, you announce your hand from the worst card down, because basically any low has pretty good winning chances. Your 7-6-3-2-A is a "seven-six smooth".

This is nothing to do with the relative hand strengths. People announce "Ace-deuce" in O8 because that's what their hole cards were. It would be silly to announce cards that were already on the board. If the board were A-2-3-J-K and you had 4-6-x-x you would say "Six-four" or "Four-six" .

LUCIUS VARENUS · 06-20-2012, 11:52 PM

yeah if you dont have nut/2nd nut low, pretty much count the hand top down like in any other A-5 low game

gaelichero2 · 06-23-2012, 01:28 PM

Drawing to straight 6's can be quite frustrating. Frustration leads to anger and anger leads to the craps table playing don't pass and laying full odds.

gumaaa · 06-24-2012, 10:03 AM

Unless you're in a very loose game I think the marginal value of 2-3 in FIXED LIMIT is worth very little if you don't have great position.

In PL/NL these hands have more value because you can get more leverage from a one-dimensional hand, and your free-rolling opportunities are worth much more, e.g. made low against a set of aces where you have a live draw to high is much more profitable in big-bet O8.

unrealzeal · 06-25-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gumaaa

Unless you're in a very loose game I think the marginal value of 2-3 in FIXED LIMIT is worth very little if you don't have great position.

In PL/NL these hands have more value because you can get more leverage from a one-dimensional hand, and your free-rolling opportunities are worth much more, e.g. made low against a set of aces where you have a live draw to high is much more profitable in big-bet O8.

agree with this, position is more important in limit...for example i may fold from the SB with KK23 if I don't think I can isolate often enough...but I will often choose to 3bet in PL/NL just b/c I know I'm gonna get it heads up much more frequently

efficacy · 06-26-2012, 11:25 PM

I don't think I'd ever fold KK32 in any possible situation.... Leak?

http://propokertools.com/simulations/rank?g=o8&h1=Kk32&s=generic

**Buzz** · 06-26-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by efficacy

I don't think I'd ever fold KK32 in any possible situation.... Leak?

I wouldn't call it a "leak."
KK32 is the best of the ace-less 23** hands.

Here's how ProPokerTools ranks the contenders:

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Omaha Hi/Lo Hand Ranking (unweighted) ?

Rankings for 23KK

Ranking	Description	Average	Best	Worst
10H	10-handed iterative (default)	9.13	4.0	15.0
3H	3-handed iterative	4.63	3.0	8.0
6H	6-handed iterative	6.88	3.0	12.0
VR	vs. random hand	3.38	3.0	5.0

Rankings for 2344

Ranking	Description	Average	Best	Worst
10H	10-handed iterative (default)	21.38	13.0	34.0
3H	3-handed iterative	33.75	22.0	53.0
6H	6-handed iterative	24.63	14.0	39.0
VR	vs. random hand	47.5	29.0	77.0

Rankings for 2345

Ranking	Description	Average	Best	Worst
10H	10-handed iterative (default)	23.91	14.0	38.0
3H	3-handed iterative	42.09	26.0	69.0
6H	6-handed iterative	28.38	16.0	48.0
VR	vs. random hand	69.31	39.0	90.0

But I think "flexible" is better than "rigid."
Buzz

unrealzeal · 06-28-2012, 04:58 PM

i think it may be correct to fold KK23 from the SB to a raise and play any 23xx hand from the button...pos is that important