What do you guys think about 2-3-x hands? - Page 3 - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

Donk Quixote · 06-15-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS

important to recognise that once you have the fundamentals down it is possible to play a wider range of hands profitably, in particular i mean those that don't contain an ace

just because you play 9743 (used that because ^ he used it) it is not proof that you are a fish. how you play the hand is the indicator because knowing when to put chips in and when not to postflop is more important than preflop because there are three streets postflop and only one preflop - most of your money goes in after the flop.

so if you know the boards you want to commit to with weak preflop hands and you know your man you can play them profitably. just ask the guy who won the world series limit o8 event twice in a row, some asian dude, the interviewer made a big thing of him playing a lot of hands and said people wondered how he did so well when he played so many preflop hands.

my guess would be he knew when to fold postflop.

Not sure I agree with this. Preflop is really important in LO8. Not saying someone is automatically a losing player just because they play a range that includes 9743 (although I suspect that they would be) but I don't think that a player like this profits from playing any of the hands in the bottom part of their range. They might just lose on their bad hands and win enough on their good hands to make up for it.

RedHot · 06-15-2012, 11:59 AM

Something that has been niggling me about these uber-tight preflop starting hand strategies is the effect of the rake. Put simply, can we beat the rake at say 0.25/.50 6 max limit o8 on Stars playing very tightly, for example just good Axxx hands?

Donk Quixote · 06-15-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot

Something that has been niggling me about these uber-tight preflop starting hand strategies is the effect of the rake. Put simply, can we beat the rake at say 0.25/.50 6 max limit o8 on Stars playing very tightly, for example just good Axxx hands?

I don't have an answer to your question, but a higher rake generally compels us to play tighter, not looser as our marginally profitable hands swing to being losers.

Mr. X · 06-15-2012, 12:47 PM

Wow, I love all the helpful responses ive been getting ITT. I played at 25/50c last night. I just felt that once I know what im doing. the game can be def profitable. I felt guys were 2-betting pre with high only and other hands thats were def marginal. I feel I can get better and be a decent player at that stake.

I'm gonna play again and play a lot tighter pre. I feel I will get into some trickery spots on the flop but thats what poker is all about. I need to get it down pre tho first.

also, I think I need to be a bit more agressive pre since im unsually playing with a premium hand. there is never and steal situations. I once got dealt A-A-2-9 forgot wether it was suited or not and I just flatted UTG. maybe a raise there at these stakes is a better play?

thanks for all the replies. its been truly appreciated

RedHot · 06-15-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

I don't have an answer to your question, but a higher rake generally compels us to play tighter, not looser as our marginally profitable hands swing to being losers.

That would be true at the margin I agree. On the other hand we do need to make enough money to cover the blinds each orbit.

Mr. X · 06-15-2012, 02:19 PM

Yea, im at the very basic, basic level of learning O/8.

thats why I feel I need to really work on preflop play. and the consensus, which I agree with, is to play super tight. especially UTG. maybe in MP I will look to play A5 or 23 hands more

Donk Quixote · 06-15-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot

That would be true at the margin I agree. On the other hand we do need to make enough money to cover the blinds each orbit.

I guess what I'm saying is that a high rake itself is never an argument for playing looser.

I think what you're getting at is it may be possible that someone playing ubertight makes a very small profit in a low rake scenario and breaks even or loses when the rake is high. In that case, they should loosen up, but it has nothing to do with the rake. They should be loosening up even more if the rake was lower.

RedHot · 06-15-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

I guess what I'm saying is that a high rake itself is never an argument for playing looser.

I think what you're getting at is it may be possible that someone playing ubertight makes a very small profit in a low rake scenario and breaks even or loses when the rake is high. In that case, they should loosen up, but it has nothing to do with the rake. They should be loosening up even more if the rake was lower.

I'm sure I am playing too loose, at any rate. I tightened up after reading stuff here then got loose again but now I am going to tighten up once more!

LUCIUS VARENUS · 06-15-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

Not sure I agree with this. Preflop is really important in LO8. Not saying someone is automatically a losing player just because they play a range that includes 9743 (although I suspect that they would be) but I don't think that a player like this profits from playing any of the hands in the bottom part of their range. They might just lose on their bad hands and win enough on their good hands to make up for it.

quite funny actually, while i think what i said is true, i also agree with what i think you are saying, basically that most people who are regularly playing 9743 are not good players! they don't know how to play the hand properly. calling raises, even 3 or 4 bets cold pre, or open limping pre, then putting bets in post when they shouldn't.

Mr. X · 06-16-2012, 02:31 AM

played like 25-30 hands tonight. lost 10cents. game was shutdown cause MERGE network was maybe running updates or some ****.

I played tighter than last night. I feel I need to play tight pre before I learn more about the game. I still find myself wanting to limp in with some 2-3-6-x hands and A-5-6-x hands from UTG or LP from time to time. but I ususally find the fold button.

I really need to play tight. I feel awkward and feel im leaving ton sof money out on the table by playing tight. but again, I need to learn what makes decent hands and not worry about stealing and isoing players and whatnot. Once I get that down. I will prolly ask the question to you guys as in what are my opponents likely to have, is my Low good enough? getting a feel of reading the board well and that al comes down with me needing to play hands that SCOOP

**Buzz** · 06-16-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X

I played tighter than last night. I feel I need to play tight pre before I learn more about the game.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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I still find myself wanting to limp in with some 2-3-6-x hands and A-5-6-x hands from UTG or LP from time to time. but I ususally find the fold button.

I like the A-5-6-x hands better than the 2-3-6-x hands.

The main problem with 2-3-6-x hands is they lack high card strength, which is more important than one probably first realizes.

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I really need to play tight.

Good idea, at least until you show yourself that you can be a winner playing tightly.

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I feel awkward and feel im leaving ton sof money out on the table by playing tight. but again, I need to learn what makes decent hands and not worry about stealing and isoing players and whatnot.

I agree. You need to develop good self discipline at the Omaha-8 table to play this game well.

Once you develop good self discipline at the Omaha-8 table, then you can worry about picking up some of the money you're leaving on the table by playing too tightly. But first things first.

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Once I get that down. I will prolly ask the question to you guys as in what are my opponents likely to have, is my Low good enough? getting a feel of reading the board well and that al comes down with me needing to play hands that SCOOP

Fine.

Buzz

gerryq · 06-16-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot

I had a look on Party and there was an impressive number of tables for o8. All empty. One guy was sitting on his own looking to game start and that was it.

There used to usually be a limit game or two running but a few months ago it died a death for some reason.

Maybe it was the change to weighted rake contribution calculations. Though Stud 8 seems as popular as before.

Assani Fisher · 06-17-2012, 03:13 PM

1. I've met and played live with Jeff before and think hes a good guy, but the advice in his book is LOL outdated for today's online games. This isn't a specific criticism of Jeff though, as almost all books suck since the game has evolved so much and strategies have advanced. Online training sites and coaching are by far the best options imo.

2. The bigger your edge postflop over your opponents the more hands you can play preflop.

3. The great majority of people overestimate their edge over their opponents.

4. As a general rule of thumb I'd open 23xx hands from cutoff, button, or SB. Top players against weak players can open it from any position(I'll definitely open it in WSOP events when my table is soft for example).

5. Having another wheel card improves the hand's value significantly.

edited to add: This and every one of my posts is in reference to PL.

efficacy · 06-17-2012, 04:46 PM

For the LO8 pros... any idea on your VPIP first in from the HJ / CO / BT? I realize it will depend on the players yet to act, but just on average what would your stats come out to?

How about defending ranges from the SB / BB vs typically late position steals?

CtrlAltDel · 06-17-2012, 05:44 PM

I only like playing 234x 235x suited kwith23x. Mainly in position are are on the button against the blinds. i don't like playing plain 23xx hands, because opponent will usually have an A when you get your low draw and usually end up winning a small pot are a split pot. Your also more likely to get counterfeited with with plain 23xx hand then you are to hit your straight.