Gonna use this thread to build an agenda for the IoM meeting. I'll ask the mods to update this agenda to the OP of this thread when needed.

Keep in mind that only stuff you guys can agree on gets on it, so work on consensus as much as possible. Obv not everyone has to agree if the overwhelming majority is for something.

I'm assuming less rake for split pots is one such demand?

Thanks!

Yes less rake in split pot game is definitely unanimous.

I have never heard anyone arguing against more MTTS although there is a difference of opinion in terms of what type.

I would also say that a weekly 55 nlo8 game on a Sunday is also unanimous.

Every single poster on this forum will +1 this. Even the ones that don't play cash just for common sense.

Please make this is your number one priority on the meetings. I know they have been getting this request for years and did nothing, but the only thing we can do (and MUST do) is to keep putting it on the table every chance we get.

+1 completely agree. Lower buy in games are nearly unbeatable due to rake. Also it just feels so wrong when two people split a pot and each lose a couple of bbs due to rake.

Yes, +1 adacan, aless, omahaha

The ONLY point we have unanimous agreement on is that the rake is unfair.

The historical efficacy of rep-PokerStars meetings is not always perceived as being stellar amongst 2+2ers, so, I think if manoeuvrability is limited, cash-game rake should take full priority (even it's not my #1 priority).

Other points of interest would include caps and buyins @ cash tables, ratholing and the MTT schedule. Hopefully we can provide some sort of consensus on these issues over the coming weeks and provide you with an uncomplicated OH8 agenda.

Thanks in advance for your time and efforts

Thanks, guys, I guess it's safe to say split pot rake will be addressed as #1 issue for 08

so with the MTTs just having "moarrrr!" is the gist of it for most of you? any stakes/formats you can agree on?

wrt ratholing, how are BIO (buy-in obligations) working out so far?

Thanks for taking the time to engage our forum. I don't think there will be an agreement on BIO, but I will give my opinion.

Personally I think it is not a good idea for 0/8 and has not worked. I think that the idea it purported to solve, namely shortstacks leaching off games, didn't exist in o/8. Most shortstackers were starting games, they weren't just waiting around until a game was running and then shortstacking it. The BIO has produced the unintended consequence of shortstacks not starting games, because why play a reg hu to start a game when now that will help trigger the BIO? Rather than improving games people have either stopped playing, or they are not starting tables and play only when a rec is playing.

This being said I think there are people on the other side of the issue and I don't think there will be a consensus. I think stars numbers will show my position is right and the BIO are hurting the games, but I think this is an issue for stars to look at and not necessarily something that should be brought up at the meeting.

+1
How about this:

This would eliminate bumhunting too.


Everybody also agrees the schedule needs major improvement. We don't need consensus on the specifics, PS can make a far better schedule than any of us can.

I assume nobody is against the autoregistering option either.


Sure, all the stakes and all the formats.

The reasons why we don't have the schedule we want are the same as why rake is too high.

Yes, I think it's clear that split-pot rake is the #1 issue for reg and rec cash-game players alike.

WRT BIO, this is a complicated issue. It seems some supernova + players (e.g. wadzon) like the 20 BB buy-ins, whereas other serious cash-gamers (e.g. aless_84), favour more deep-stack, > 20 BB, no-cap buy-ins. To try and gain a consensus here might be futile.

I would say the ratholing/bum-hunting issue is important as it seems that even serious players (i.e. supernova regs) use this strategy and special scripts etc as part of a daily routine (PS admit they can't do anything to detect these scripts). I've talked to and heard reports from players who are both fed up and suspicious about the same players showing up at their tables (cash and otherwise) every time they play. This isn't just an OH8-specific issue though.

As for the MTTs, I think there is a general consensus that more low-mid level buy-ins need to be added to the daily schedule.

Personally I favour MTTs with an "Omania" structure ($8-$27 buy-in, 10 min blinds, $5K+ guarantees). I would like further Omanias to be added around 2.30pm, 4pm Eastern Time, along with further turbo MTTs ($2-$55) leading up to the $27 Omania @ 6.05pm ET.

Several posters also advocate ~ $55 weekly NLO8/PLO8 Omanias, although I am unsure if they want these in addition to, or as replacements for, the existing $215 weeklies. Experience tells me that any players in the $215s would auto-reg for a $55.

Hopefully the 2+2 OH8 community will definitively answer all of these questions for us over the coming days.

Agreed. Although I think some input on schedule specifics might be useful.

As far as I am aware, the PS7 design team have already incorporated said, "theme", options in the software - they just haven't offered it to us yet. We CAN save our favourite filters for cash and MTTs, then have all our fav games contained in one or two tabs according to structure, as well as the favourites tabs for cash, SnG, MTT. I like your (flyingdutchman) auto-reg idea to ameliorate the script-seating issues.

I don't understand autoregisting enough to know if I am for or against it. How would that work in cash?

Basically when you log in to PS and select your "theme" or "schedule", you would be auto-regged for all the pre-selected games.

Wrt cash games, the auto-register would populate the tables according to chronological order, rather than relying on self-selection or script-based bum-hunting.

If this process was locked, there would be no way to self-select or bum-hunt any of the first several tables @ any given stake/format. Of course if you didn't like the table you got seated at, you could always log out and re-start the selection process, allowing the next player in chronological order to fill your unwanted seats.

Yeah! +1

what is the advantage for someone using a seating script?
what can you do with a seating script?

Fish sits into a short-handed table, the script insta-sits you on his immediate left (or the next best option if taken). Tilts regs and fish alike, but Stars claim they can't police it and thus allow it. Instead, they offer Zoom as the solution, which is obvious as it's the most profitable format for them.

I voted here even though I haven't played on-line in years. I'm an mtt O8 playing the 2-10 level hunting for a "good" population 150-400. Since UIGEA/Black Friday. Poker in general is much diminished, and I am out. Naturally, I'm USA without deep pockets, and enjoy the tourney. No cash gaming, just tournies. IMHO what I saw late in the USA-legal was a harbinger for the future. SnG's. These actually started to pull populations away from full-tourny play. I can only imagine they still do.

So I'm old-fashioned, and basically not-informed on the post USA gaming. But as observer, all I see is rapid play in all forms conquering traditional tournament play. If its +EV then play as much as possible. Thus SnG's are (should be) the primary want-list focus.

But before my personal wish-list gets addressed, get the USA back in the game. You want fish? get the USA back in, otherwise cannibalize the game (re: shark v. shark). The latter is going to happen VERY soon.

Now as to the OP and my vote... Separate server farms for each variation TH, OM, 7S, Other. then sechedule each to maximize Start-time population. One server-farm scheduling all tournaments is the real bottom-line problem. One-minute tournament interval anyone?

In mtts there apart from the x2 turbos there is one rebuy at 1835 uk time , surely you could put some in earlier during the day even a $10 rebuy would still get enough players or what about a $20 re entry game or something different like that in the afternoon/early evening just to make the sechedule alittle more exciting!

+1

OK let's keep things really simple and see if we can't progress the MTT schedule thing.

Do we agree that peak OH8 traffic is between 4-11 pm GMT (3-10 pm UTC in summer)?

Do we agree that it's during these hours that most scheduled MTTs should start and that there is currently a huge gap in volume tourneys between ~ 7.30-11 pm GMT?

My selfish mon-fri schedule:

4 pm - $8.80 Omania (moved from 5.05pm)
4.30 pm - $11r PL (replacement for $22 PL)
5 pm - $2r (moved from 5.35pm)
5.30 pm - $16.50 Omania (new)
6 pm - $11 2R1A PL turbo (replacement for $16.50 PL 2*Chance)
6.30 pm - $2r (moved from 7.05pm)
7 pm - $27 Omania (new)
7.30 pm - $5 hyper-turbo
8 pm - $11 hyper-turbo
8.30 pm - $8.80 Omania (new)
9 pm - $2r (new)
10 pm - Omania $27 (moved from 11.05pm)

WED - $55 PL @ 8 pm

I'm sure many out there don't like the tightness of that schedule or the times, but, if you do happen to like it or want something similar, please, please make a point of saying so - if we don't provide the rep with a consensus, we can't bitch about the schedule never changing.

ALSO

SAT/SUN - I would like to see more $55 NL and PL games similar to the current Saturday $55 PL. Hard to know where to fit them in around the $215 weeklies or if they should be replacements. Would be nice if the reg players in these MTTs who also post on 2+2 (such as Demonic16, bleu329, mddgfc, giffordonian, aless, 1016, PAhakkuuti, shhharp, bxlmaestro, vovan7778, mrscruffff, neptune04, Dacus3, wadzon etc, etc) made their feelings known.

Yeah would love to see an equivilant to the Big $55/$109/$162 or Hot $55/$75 in Omanias

this is a quote by players rep chuck bass from the last players meeting

its post number 140 from this thread;

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...76/index2.html

+ 1

Also regarding the mtts you should suggest stars look into selling certain tickets as packages, at a slight discount. For example they could sell a Omaniacs package, with entry to all that days hi-lo omanias at a 5% discount maybe.