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Soooo ... what was your plan when you called pre?
Not sure if I understand the question. To invest 1,4 bb and either bluff or show down the best hand is the best response I can give.
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I understand that it's only a 2.2x raise from the button,
It's like 2,395x
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but unless SB is insane his range should still be good and lots of the bad parts of BTN's range really screws up the flops we like (like this one). I can only assume that you think you can bluff a decent amount of the time? But which boards?
You know, people in tournaments are massively straight-forward and "simple". For example when flop gets checked through we can bluff to semi-blanks on turn with very good success rate. Board doesn't even matter much.
I don't really understand how BTN having a wide range really screws up the flops we like.
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Calling a tiny raise pre. just to fold before showdown doesn't sound fun. Maybe you think it helps you that your range includes ~70% hands?
Again, I don't really understand what the issue is. Yes, Hero has to c/f to certain flops as they hit villain's ranges so hard. The investment was 1,4bb so we can afford to c/f quite often and still show profit.
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You also implied that villain is only ever flipping or crushed, meaning that you never x/r when you hit J4?
I believe that I would not c/r AI with bare bottom2 or top and bottom. A gutshot or good backdoors might make the difference, though. So yeah, saying that he is never ahead is an over-statement.
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I mean I doubt it's good against this size, but then the same must be true of you ... if he is convinced he has a good hand (what we are assuming from his size) then he only ever has made hands that are flipping or better draws that crush you. I guess every now and then he can go insane with worse flush draws and good backdoor lows, but does that happen enough to make up for the rest?
He might be convinced that his top 2 is good, but it always isn't good, so I don't think it matters at all what he thinks or guesses. What matters is how his hand is doing against my c/r-range. I guess it is doing well enough to put his tournament life on the line.
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Also this has to be near the best flop for your hand, and you don't want to x/c? Obviously all the low cards are bad for you, but that was always true and you still called pre.
This is nowhere near the best flop for this hand. You arguments here are not making any sense to me. I already explained you why this hand plays much better as a raise than a call. Even billyboy agreed with that.
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And the reasoning that you can't x/c and gii with hearts if they hit but you can x/r now with the draw when he's guaranteed to gii with all the better flush draws ... seems not reasonable.
Again, you just haven't understood why the hand plays much better as a raise.