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nope I've said my piece and i don't wish to get banned again for dealing with you although i did not get banned for saying my opinions on you but for having a general slagging match. It's not only buzz you do this too and the way you interact with people here and at the table is laughable.

I keep hearing you say that everyone is scared to play you. Pretty sure that's not the case lol

As i said I won't be replying again no matter what you say to provoke me. I'll just report your post as not to get in a slagging match. A bit like the one in the WCOOP thread for no apparent reason.

you did not get banned because you deal with me, you get banned because you accused me falsely for very bad thing and say to the community they should blame me and mail stars about it. If you really think that ok then you are not only bad player but also total scum and bad person.
+ look to our senior member buzz he has deal with me the most on this forum because i maybe been agrassive posting on his strategy talk. Did he cal me clown or anything?
good you do not react to me again hope you make that promise and never react to me again.
And for all those good cash game players who calling me spewtard because they can not beat me i am now sitting on 10/20 5/10 waiting for you (as usual)

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09-14-2015 , 01:10 PM

#27

billygstar

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,115

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Originally Posted by amok

Billy's insecurity and envy towards successful cash players is blatantly obvious. Tournaments are a brilliant choice for him, as there he can exploit the weaklings all day long and make a living.

Buzz is a "respected senior member of the O8 community", sure, but he is totally clueless in many NL/PL spots, as everyone can see ITT. He might be very good in limit O8, I can't tell, because I don't play that game nor pay much attention to those threads.

From what I understand, it's OK to point out flaws in someone's thinking on this forum. Explaining things that are completely obvious for you requires lots of patience.

So why is it i always have the upper hand versus you in our cash game dealings?

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09-14-2015 , 01:38 PM

#28

omybike

adept

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 944

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Originally Posted by billygstar

So why is it i always have the upper hand versus you in our cash game dealings?

So why i have never seen you playing cash on stars? or you normally playing plo825 ?
still waiting for you. put your money where you mouth is.

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09-14-2015 , 02:23 PM

#29

TheMurderShow

banned

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 355

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Originally Posted by broken_jia

I think he should've just shoved preflop or check back on flop. By raising so big preflop, he's effectively only got two bets postflop.
Given the ICM considerations, Marek has to consider folding his hand against a shove preflop.

There's one big stack (stevie) and 2nd to 5th is all bunched up together. Difference between 2nd and 5th is $24,000, see below.

EDIT: Added payouts

Damn, you labeled, everyone except probably a random.. lol

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09-14-2015 , 03:21 PM

#30

amok

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Originally Posted by billygstar

So why is it i always have the upper hand versus you in our cash game dealings?

Like twice? Maybe you are just so much better than me.

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09-14-2015 , 03:32 PM

#31

deadpeddler

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 520

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Originally Posted by amok

Like twice? Maybe you are just so much better than me.

HU for Rolls is clearly the only answer here....

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09-19-2015 , 09:06 AM

#32

Giffordonian

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 21,515

Who is up for a last longer in the $1,050 PLO8?

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09-20-2015 , 09:58 AM

#33

pandick

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,445

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Originally Posted by Giffordonian

Who is up for a last longer in the $1,050 PLO8?

I'm in if its reasonable. How much you thinking? A few of us had a $50 on the first 1k so maybe they'd be in too if i ask them on skype.

also congrats chickenssss, beast run.

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09-24-2015 , 06:14 PM

#34

amok

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Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37125876

BTN: 25,668 (21.4 bb)
SB: 105,561 (88 bb)
BB: 41,514 (34.6 bb)
UTG: 148,807 (124 bb)
Hero (MP): 63,897 (53.2 bb)
CO: 31,270 (26.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

UTG raises to 2,400, Hero calls 2,400, 3 folds, BB calls 1,200

Flop: (8,700) J

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets 4,800, Hero calls 4,800, BB raises to 38,964 and is all-in, UTG raises to 146,257 and is all-in, Hero calls 56,547 and is all-in

Turn: (170,358) 9

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (170,358) 5

(3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: 170,358 pot
Final Board: J

BB showed J

and won 125,592 (84,078 net)
UTG showed 9

and won 44,766 (-19,131 net)
Hero showed A

and lost (-63,897 net)

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Took the low variance play both pre-flop and on the flop. Hard to find a better spot than this to "gamble". 47% equity 3-way and 74% in the side pot.

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09-24-2015 , 07:23 PM

#35

pandick

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,445

PokerStars Hand #141292883095: Tournament #1329127071, $100+$9 USD Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit - Level XXVIII (3500/7000) - 2015/09/24 23:06:04 WET [2015/09/24 18:06:04 ET]
Table '1329127071 23' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: plattsburgh (197652 in chips)
Seat 3: jj20002 (487852 in chips)
Seat 4: krokotopus (150403 in chips)
Seat 5: Kar0lka (250255 in chips)
Seat 6: Pandick (238838 in chips)
plattsburgh: posts the ante 875
jj20002: posts the ante 875
krokotopus: posts the ante 875
Kar0lka: posts the ante 875
Pandick: posts the ante 875
Pandick: posts small blind 3500
plattsburgh: posts big blind 7000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pandick [3c Ah Ks 5s]
jj20002: raises 14000 to 21000
krokotopus: folds
Kar0lka: folds
Pandick: calls 17500
plattsburgh: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d Kd 6s]
Pandick: checks
jj20002: bets 465977 and is all-in
Pandick: calls 216963 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (249014) returned to jj20002
*** TURN *** [4d Kd 6s] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [4d Kd 6s Qh] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pandick: shows [3c Ah Ks 5s] (HI: two pair, Kings and Fives; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
jj20002: shows [Ad 2c As 3s] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,2,A)
jj20002 collected 243651 from pot
jj20002 collected 243650 from pot
Pandick finished the tournament in 5th place and received $1590.00.

I have no idea how he does that with AA23, dude owned me

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09-25-2015 , 12:06 PM

#36

amok

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FPP sats to $320 anyone?

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09-25-2015 , 12:09 PM

#37

greybeard33

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 523

Good lord this game is brutal sometimes.

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09-25-2015 , 04:28 PM

#38

Hurp Durpington

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 32,509

Poker Stars, $300 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37128311

BTN: 1,653 (20.7 bb)
SB: 9,565 (119.6 bb)
BB: 6,815 (85.2 bb)
UTG: 8,122 (101.5 bb)
Hero (MP): 5,095 (63.7 bb)
CO: 3,728 (46.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7

UTG folds, Hero raises to 179, 2 folds, SB calls 139, BB folds

Flop: (438) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 438, SB raises to 1,752, Hero raises to 4,916 and is all-in, SB calls 3,164

Turn: (10,270) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (10,270) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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game is cruel sometime

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09-25-2015 , 05:01 PM

#39

amok

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Poker Stars, $300 Buy-in (60/120 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37128339

SB: 17,037 (142 bb)
Hero (BB): 7,190 (59.9 bb)
UTG: 2,905 (24.2 bb)
MP: 3,684 (30.7 bb)
CO: 14,179 (118.2 bb)
BTN: 16,299 (135.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

2 folds, CO raises to 240, BTN calls 240, SB folds, Hero calls 120

Flop: (780) Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 390, BTN folds, Hero raises to 1,380, CO calls 990

Turn: (3,540) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets 3,540, CO calls 3,540

River: (10,620) A

(2 players)
Hero bets 2,030 and is all-in, CO calls 2,030

Results: 14,680 pot
Final Board: Q

Hero showed 8

and won 14,680 (7,490 net)
CO showed A

and lost (-7,190 net)

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Lookin' good.

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09-25-2015 , 10:05 PM

#40

amok

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Still in, what is going on? 29 left and my stack is doing fine.

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09-25-2015 , 10:17 PM

#41

pandick

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Originally Posted by amok

Still in, what is going on? 29 left and my stack is doing fine.

gl beast

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09-25-2015 , 10:36 PM

#42

amok

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Out 19th, normality restored.

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09-25-2015 , 10:44 PM

#43

amok

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Poker Stars, $300 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37128584

SB: 157,222 (31.4 bb)
Hero (BB): 230,227 (46 bb)
CO: 261,788 (52.4 bb)
BTN: 177,816 (35.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

CO folds, BTN raises to 11,950, SB calls 9,450, Hero calls 6,950

Flop: (35,850) 6

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 27,883, SB folds, Hero raises to 119,499, BTN raises to 165,866 and is all-in, Hero calls 46,367

Turn: (367,582) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (367,582) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 367,582 pot
Final Board: 6

SB mucked and lost (-11,950 net)
Hero showed T

and lost (-177,816 net)
BTN showed Q

and won 367,582 (189,766 net)

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Pretty sure not many of you guys would play it like this. I'm actually more shocked about his play. My close to the bottom of the range hand has 47% vs him.

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09-25-2015 , 11:20 PM

#44

Buzz

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,254

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Originally Posted by amok

Out 19th, normality restored.

Sorry to hear that. I was rooting for you. Congratulations for making it that far. (You must have at least made it into the money).

Buzz

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09-25-2015 , 11:39 PM

#45

amok

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Ty Buzz. Maybe someday I'll learn to make tight folds or to keep away from tournaments.

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09-26-2015 , 12:17 AM

#46

omybike

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Originally Posted by amok

Pretty sure not many of you guys would play it like this. I'm actually more shocked about his play. My close to the bottom of the range hand has 47% vs him.

both super standard play

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09-26-2015 , 12:28 AM

#47

amok

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Originally Posted by omybike

both super standard play

Dunno, maybe. He needs only 37,5% equity to break even chip wise. Slightly ahead or lots behind.

I thought it's kinda great spot for me as he needs to worry about his tournament life but I still have 10bb left if I get scooped (which happens slightly less than 50% of the time vs his holding).

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09-26-2015 , 04:13 AM

#48

gumaaa

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,591

I wanted to comment on that hand but...all of you are deluded by confirmation bias and won't find any wisdom from looking any deeper. Standard variance post; move on.

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09-26-2015 , 11:58 AM

#49

amok

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Originally Posted by gumaaa

I wanted to comment on that hand but...

Please do.

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09-27-2015 , 02:21 AM

#50

greybeard33

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 523

Quote:

Originally Posted by amok

CO folds, BTN raises to 11,950, SB calls 9,450, Hero calls 6,950

Flop: (35,850) 6

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 27,883, SB folds, Hero raises to 119,499, BTN raises to 165,866 and is all-in, Hero calls 46,367

Turn: (367,582) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (367,582) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 367,582 pot
Final Board: 6

SB mucked and lost (-11,950 net)
Hero showed T

and lost (-177,816 net)
BTN showed Q

and won 367,582 (189,766 net)

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Pretty sure not many of you guys would play it like this. I'm actually more shocked about his play. My close to the bottom of the range hand has 47% vs him.

Any consideration to just calling on the flop? Given that your raise still gives him almost 2:1 to call, did you think that you had much fold equity by raising? Or is this a case where you didn't want to make a bad fold later in the hand so you just committed on the flop?

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