Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by broken_jia

crazy ass as in good or bad players? I could interpret that statement in both ways, lol.

To me it means on the wild side of unpredictable without being a judgment as to whether good or bad.

Interesting how different individuals interpret words.

Buzz

[manndl]

strange sharcscope hasnt tracked my 18 man s&g lately and is missing half of my 9 man ko nlo8.

[jmbreslin]

Anyone know of a resource that summarizes different preflop all-in matchups (heads-up and multiway) for O8? I think I need to brush up on my shoving/calling ranges.

[Kittens]

These are dumb

Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10169272

MP3: 2,210 (110.5 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,515 (75.8 bb)
MP2: 835 (41.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J A 2 A
UTG+1 calls 20, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 20, 3 folds, BTN calls 20, SB completes, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 1,480, 2 folds

Flop: (3,060) J 3 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (3,060) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,060) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,060 pot
Final Board: J 3 7 3 T
Hero showed J A 2 A and lost (-1,500 net)
MP1 showed 2 Q 4 3 and won 3,060 (1,560 net)

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[streityboy]

Originally Posted by Kittens

These are dumb

Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10169272

MP3: 2,210 (110.5 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,515 (75.8 bb)
MP2: 835 (41.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J A 2 A
UTG+1 calls 20, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 20, 3 folds, BTN calls 20, SB completes, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 1,480, 2 folds

Flop: (3,060) J 3 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (3,060) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,060) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,060 pot
Final Board: J 3 7 3 T
Hero showed J A 2 A and lost (-1,500 net)
MP1 showed 2 Q 4 3 and won 3,060 (1,560 net)

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Me needs to get myself rolled for these again. Haha. So bad.

[TheHaNgedMaN]

Originally Posted by jmbreslin

Anyone know of a resource that summarizes different preflop all-in matchups (heads-up and multiway) for O8? I think I need to brush up on my shoving/calling ranges.

006's brain but difficult to get a hold of I'd imagine.


why am I always stuck with 'that guy' who becomes cl after calling shoves with 67JJ and 2256 in early levels and then when bubble time comes around he all of a sudden gets shy and starts giving walks to middle stacks when there's a dude with 1 1/2-3 BB?

[bakyka]

Originally Posted by Yoshiii

there are still some crazy ass players at the $15s at stars !!

Originally Posted by Kittens

These are dumb

Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10169272

MP3: 2,210 (110.5 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,515 (75.8 bb)
MP2: 835 (41.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J A 2 A
UTG+1 calls 20, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 20, 3 folds, BTN calls 20, SB completes, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 1,480, 2 folds

Flop: (3,060) J 3 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (3,060) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,060) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,060 pot
Final Board: J 3 7 3 T
Hero showed J A 2 A and lost (-1,500 net)
MP1 showed 2 Q 4 3 and won 3,060 (1,560 net)

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did you get your answer?

[manndl]

Originally Posted by TheHaNgedMaN

why am I always stuck with 'that guy' who becomes cl after calling shoves with 67JJ and 2256 in early levels..........

do we play that often against each other

[jmbreslin]

Originally Posted by TheHaNgedMaN

006's brain but difficult to get a hold of I'd imagine.

Never mind, I was playing around with propokertools so I'll make my own. One thing I didn't appreciate was how much of a difference suited cards make in all-in confrontations. Can make a diff of 5% ev when all-in heads-up, regardless of what card you're holding.

[jmbreslin]

Okay, I've come to the realization that my biggest weakness by far in the NLO8 18-mans is my late stage play. I'll get up to 3-4k chips but I often find myself getting blinded down and busting out or just sneaking in and min-cashing. I start to struggle once the blinds get to that point where limping to see a flop with half-decent hands is so darn expensive, so I end up sticking my head in the sand and watching my stack dwindle.

How do you guys tend to play these stages - say starting at 150/300 when your stack is in the 2-4k range?

[streityboy]

Originally Posted by jmbreslin

Okay, I've come to the realization that my biggest weakness by far in the NLO8 18-mans is my late stage play. I'll get up to 3-4k chips but I often find myself getting blinded down and busting out or just sneaking in and min-cashing. I start to struggle once the blinds get to that point where limping to see a flop with half-decent hands is so darn expensive, so I end up sticking my head in the sand and watching my stack dwindle.

How do you guys tend to play these stages - say starting at 150/300 when your stack is in the 2-4k range?

That would be saying. Can't give away all secrets!! 2k and 4k play is quite a bit different. However, I am shoving anything I choose to enter with the 2k and probably min raising closer to the 4k but I will also shove the 4k stack a hell of a lot. There is a big difference between having a 2k and a 4k stack though. What I raise and push depends on some of these factors:
1. My stack size
2. Stack sizes behind
3. How liberally the blinds and big stacks are calling
4. Whether the other medium stacks are playing tight
5. Position, whether I am button or MP1
6. Hand strength obviously

These are things you have to learn for yourself. It comes with practice. Aside to say when I make the money, anything less than 1st or 2nd pains me. Don't be afraid. Aggression wins and equities run so close pre that is always the better option. You can't play weak sauce in these-take advantage of those that do.

[streityboy]

Villain is a winning reg. He tends to overshove made hands but he does have some massive wrap+ flush draw, 2 pair+flush draw combos here also. Caller behind is an unknown, but Spanish (read as he could have any four cards!!). I hate having to fold here, but think this is pretty correct. Thoughts.

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10191712

BB: 950 (31.7 bb)
UTG+2: 1,370 (45.7 bb)
MP1: 1,685 (56.2 bb)
MP2: 2,215 (73.8 bb)
MP3: 1,670 (55.7 bb)
CO: 1,465 (48.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,455 (48.5 bb)
SB: 2,690 (89.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J 2 6
UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 calls 30, MP3 calls 30, CO folds, Hero calls 30, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: (210) Q 6 9 (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 900, MP3 calls 900, Hero?

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[GrimIsCool]

Originally Posted by streityboy

Villain is a winning reg. He tends to overshove made hands but he does have some massive wrap+ flush draw, 2 pair+flush draw combos here also. Caller behind is an unknown, but Spanish (read as he could have any four cards!!). I hate having to fold here, but think this is pretty correct. Thoughts.

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10191712

BB: 950 (31.7 bb)
UTG+2: 1,370 (45.7 bb)
MP1: 1,685 (56.2 bb)
MP2: 2,215 (73.8 bb)
MP3: 1,670 (55.7 bb)
CO: 1,465 (48.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,455 (48.5 bb)
SB: 2,690 (89.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J 2 6
UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 calls 30, MP3 calls 30, CO folds, Hero calls 30, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: (210) Q 6 9 (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 900, MP3 calls 900, Hero?

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Correct.

[manndl]

snap fold.
much too early to gamble and commit so much of your stack here
who is the winning reg shaunn?tourplaya?valerik kir?

ps:had a mini heater and made 576points in a 20 set yesterday that should get me $$ and a ticket for the 2nd week in a row

psps:bakyka why are u stalking me lately?am i really that fishy,that u have to join me at all my 18 man 3,50$ tables

[broken_jia]

Originally Posted by streityboy

That would be saying. Can't give away all secrets!! 2k and 4k play is quite a bit different. However, I am shoving anything I choose to enter with the 2k and probably min raising closer to the 4k but I will also shove the 4k stack a hell of a lot. There is a big difference between having a 2k and a 4k stack though. What I raise and push depends on some of these factors:
1. My stack size
2. Stack sizes behind
3. How liberally the blinds and big stacks are calling
4. Whether the other medium stacks are playing tight
5. Position, whether I am button or MP1
6. Hand strength obviously

These are things you have to learn for yourself. It comes with practice. Aside to say when I make the money, anything less than 1st or 2nd pains me. Don't be afraid. Aggression wins and equities run so close pre that is always the better option. You can't play weak sauce in these-take advantage of those that do.

what's your SN? I don't think I have any notes on you if your SN is the same as your 2+2 name.