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Old 08-05-2011, 05:28 AM   #126
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Anyone know of a resource that summarizes different preflop all-in matchups (heads-up and multiway) for O8? I think I need to brush up on my shoving/calling ranges.
006's brain but difficult to get a hold of I'd imagine.


why am I always stuck with 'that guy' who becomes cl after calling shoves with 67JJ and 2256 in early levels and then when bubble time comes around he all of a sudden gets shy and starts giving walks to middle stacks when there's a dude with 1 1/2-3 BB?
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:04 AM   #127
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there are still some crazy ass players at the $15s at stars !!
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    Old 08-05-2011, 09:42 AM   #128
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    why am I always stuck with 'that guy' who becomes cl after calling shoves with 67JJ and 2256 in early levels..........
    do we play that often against each other
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    006's brain but difficult to get a hold of I'd imagine.
    Never mind, I was playing around with propokertools so I'll make my own. One thing I didn't appreciate was how much of a difference suited cards make in all-in confrontations. Can make a diff of 5% ev when all-in heads-up, regardless of what card you're holding.
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    Okay, I've come to the realization that my biggest weakness by far in the NLO8 18-mans is my late stage play. I'll get up to 3-4k chips but I often find myself getting blinded down and busting out or just sneaking in and min-cashing. I start to struggle once the blinds get to that point where limping to see a flop with half-decent hands is so darn expensive, so I end up sticking my head in the sand and watching my stack dwindle.

    How do you guys tend to play these stages - say starting at 150/300 when your stack is in the 2-4k range?
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    Okay, I've come to the realization that my biggest weakness by far in the NLO8 18-mans is my late stage play. I'll get up to 3-4k chips but I often find myself getting blinded down and busting out or just sneaking in and min-cashing. I start to struggle once the blinds get to that point where limping to see a flop with half-decent hands is so darn expensive, so I end up sticking my head in the sand and watching my stack dwindle.

    How do you guys tend to play these stages - say starting at 150/300 when your stack is in the 2-4k range?
    That would be saying. Can't give away all secrets!! 2k and 4k play is quite a bit different. However, I am shoving anything I choose to enter with the 2k and probably min raising closer to the 4k but I will also shove the 4k stack a hell of a lot. There is a big difference between having a 2k and a 4k stack though. What I raise and push depends on some of these factors:
    1. My stack size
    2. Stack sizes behind
    3. How liberally the blinds and big stacks are calling
    4. Whether the other medium stacks are playing tight
    5. Position, whether I am button or MP1
    6. Hand strength obviously

    These are things you have to learn for yourself. It comes with practice. Aside to say when I make the money, anything less than 1st or 2nd pains me. Don't be afraid. Aggression wins and equities run so close pre that is always the better option. You can't play weak sauce in these-take advantage of those that do.

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    Old 08-08-2011, 06:01 AM   #132
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    Villain is a winning reg. He tends to overshove made hands but he does have some massive wrap+ flush draw, 2 pair+flush draw combos here also. Caller behind is an unknown, but Spanish (read as he could have any four cards!!). I hate having to fold here, but think this is pretty correct. Thoughts.

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      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 900, MP3 calls 900, Hero?



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      Old 08-08-2011, 06:23 AM   #133
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      Villain is a winning reg. He tends to overshove made hands but he does have some massive wrap+ flush draw, 2 pair+flush draw combos here also. Caller behind is an unknown, but Spanish (read as he could have any four cards!!). I hate having to fold here, but think this is pretty correct. Thoughts.

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        MP2: 2,215 (73.8 bb)
        MP3: 1,670 (55.7 bb)
        CO: 1,465 (48.8 bb)
        Hero (BTN): 1,455 (48.5 bb)
        SB: 2,690 (89.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J 2 6
        UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 calls 30, MP3 calls 30, CO folds, Hero calls 30, SB completes, BB checks

        Flop: (210) Q 6 9 (7 players)
        SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 900, MP3 calls 900, Hero?



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        Old 08-08-2011, 06:24 AM   #134
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        snap fold.
        much too early to gamble and commit so much of your stack here
        who is the winning reg shaunn?tourplaya?valerik kir?

        ps:had a mini heater and made 576points in a 20 set yesterday that should get me $$ and a ticket for the 2nd week in a row

        psps:bakyka why are u stalking me lately?am i really that fishy,that u have to join me at all my 18 man 3,50$ tables
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        That would be saying. Can't give away all secrets!! 2k and 4k play is quite a bit different. However, I am shoving anything I choose to enter with the 2k and probably min raising closer to the 4k but I will also shove the 4k stack a hell of a lot. There is a big difference between having a 2k and a 4k stack though. What I raise and push depends on some of these factors:
        1. My stack size
        2. Stack sizes behind
        3. How liberally the blinds and big stacks are calling
        4. Whether the other medium stacks are playing tight
        5. Position, whether I am button or MP1
        6. Hand strength obviously

        These are things you have to learn for yourself. It comes with practice. Aside to say when I make the money, anything less than 1st or 2nd pains me. Don't be afraid. Aggression wins and equities run so close pre that is always the better option. You can't play weak sauce in these-take advantage of those that do.
        what's your SN? I don't think I have any notes on you if your SN is the same as your 2+2 name.
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        Old 08-08-2011, 07:35 AM   #136
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        snap fold.
        much too early to gamble and commit so much of your stack here
        who is the winning reg shaunn?tourplaya?valerik kir?

        ps:had a mini heater and made 576points in a 20 set yesterday that should get me $$ and a ticket for the 2nd week in a row
        The bonuses are doubled this weak, so there is a chance you miss out if the NLHoldem players decide to all play.

        The three regs you mentioned were all mainly 9 man KO players iirc, but I haven't played those in a month now so I dunno.
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        Old 08-08-2011, 10:25 AM   #137
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        what's your SN? I don't think I have any notes on you if your SN is the same as your 2+2 name.
        Clue. It's not. One or two people know on here but not many. In the end if I know yours and you don't know mine...I always find this more comfortable.

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        That would be saying. Can't give away all secrets!! 2k and 4k play is quite a bit different. However, I am shoving anything I choose to enter with the 2k and probably min raising closer to the 4k but I will also shove the 4k stack a hell of a lot. There is a big difference between having a 2k and a 4k stack though. What I raise and push depends on some of these factors:
        1. My stack size
        2. Stack sizes behind
        3. How liberally the blinds and big stacks are calling
        4. Whether the other medium stacks are playing tight
        5. Position, whether I am button or MP1
        6. Hand strength obviously

        These are things you have to learn for yourself. It comes with practice. Aside to say when I make the money, anything less than 1st or 2nd pains me. Don't be afraid. Aggression wins and equities run so close pre that is always the better option. You can't play weak sauce in these-take advantage of those that do.
        So you're never limping at these blinds? Any playable hand you're raising/shoving, obviously depending on all those other factors?
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        Clue. It's not. One or two people know on here but not many. In the end if I know yours and you don't know mine...I always find this more comfortable.


        I don't like the feeling of having less information than others. PM me if you wanna be nice!

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        So you're never limping at these blinds? Any playable hand you're raising/shoving, obviously depending on all those other factors?
        At 150/300/25, if I have a 3500-4000 stack, there are a few hands I'm limping. Things like A235 is better to limp/fold than to raise/call or shove IMO.
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        At 150/300/25, if I have a 3500-4000 stack, there are a few hands I'm limping. Things like A235 is better to limp/fold than to raise/call or shove IMO.
        I pray on limpers. Very few people limp strong enough hands to call shoves. Limping in EP with these hands only encourages people to do this and people who are savvy enough will come over the top with a slightly wider range regardless. I will come over the top with something like ak45 single suit if stack sizes are similar for example.
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        psps:bakyka why are u stalking me lately?
        i promise i wont stalk you to italy.

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        am i really that fishy,that u have to join me at all my 18 man 3,50$ tables
        do i have to answer?

        (btw i hate you for the any 4 pushes sb vs. bb)
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        At 150/300/25, if I have a 3500-4000 stack, there are a few hands I'm limping. Things like A235 is better to limp/fold than to raise/call or shove IMO.
        I don't understand, A235 is a strong hand in the mid-late stages. You would actually limp-fold it? Why would you not be happy to raise-call since people will shove with worse?
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        I pray on limpers. Very few people limp strong enough hands to call shoves. Limping in EP with these hands only encourages people to do this and people who are savvy enough will come over the top with a slightly wider range regardless. I will come over the top with something like ak45 single suit if stack sizes are similar for example.
        Say it's folded to you in MP with that hand, with a range of stacks after you. What do you do with your AK45 in that spot?
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        a suited is a shove.
        A235 has not much high potential and u arent that desperate yet ,that u have to gamble with a 1 way hand.
        but dont listen to me after my mini heater i run like xxxxxx again
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        do i have to answer?
        so its true,i`m a fish in your notes
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        so its true,i`m a fish in your notes
        oh, im not that harsh, maybe fishy . but according to your results you must be very lucky so there are still some hope for you.


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        I don't understand, A235 is a strong hand in the mid-late stages. You would actually limp-fold it? Why would you not be happy to raise-call since people will shove with worse?
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        a suited is a shove.
        A235 has not much high potential and u arent that desperate yet ,that u have to gamble with a 1 way hand.
        but dont listen to me after my mini heater i run like xxxxxx again:mad
        this.

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        Say it's folded to you in MP with that hand, with a range of stacks after you. What do you do with your AK45 in that spot?
        i would rather shove this hand beside the right curcomstances.

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        oh, im not that harsh, maybe fishy . but according to your results yo
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        A23547.08% 158,995214,65430,025241,12286,801
        AK3J52.92% 218,508355,32130,025086,801
        Interesting, even suiting the Ace doesn't make much of a difference. Some showdown value is necessary - even changing it to A255 gives it a slight edge over A3KJ.
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        a suited is a shove.
        A235 has not much high potential and u arent that desperate yet ,that u have to gamble with a 1 way hand.
        but dont listen to me after my mini heater i run like xxxxxx again

        so its true,i`m a fish in your notes
        nice low score my friend from middle east
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        Old 08-10-2011, 02:25 PM   #148
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        thx but xxxxxx up the high,only 1528 points.
        101 s&g was a win of course

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        nice low score my friend from middle east
        nice score for the low orbit, manndl!


        is popoland in the middle east? i didnt know...
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        Say it's folded to you in MP with that hand, with a range of stacks after you. What do you do with your AK45 in that spot?
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          Hero (MP2): 2,070 (6.9 bb)
          MP3: 1,104 (3.7 bb)
          CO: 4,504 (15 bb)
          BTN: 6,340 (21.1 bb)
          SB: 864 (2.9 bb)

          Preflop: (200) Hero is MP2 with 3 A T Q
          UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 300, Hero raises to 2,045 and is all-in, 4 folds, BB calls 1,333 and is all-in,
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