Bob is right. I always ask myself the question. If I limp, can I call a raise and for what proportion of my stack? If you limp here OOP you cannot reasonably call any raise. This is why this is a fold. You would be committing too high a proportion of your stack OOP. Blind levels too high.

Under normal circumstances I don't understand the check call lead river line. If he was bluffing/semi-bluffing the turn, you need to let him do it again on the river. You are folding out his bluffs by leading and maybe even the trips that he was leading the turn with as well that would lead river. If villain only only ever has AJ or AK then you are giving yourself the option to x/f too.

IMO with this line, you just don't have too many bluffs here and aren't getting called by anything worse versus a competent villain. Then again, I just looked at what he called with so villain clearly has a super wide range and you would be missing value by not betting.

I am intrigued as to your turn play though. What's your thought process for checking the turn? I think I just bet here to get value from all low+flush draws, low + turned trip aces and any other combos. Basically an amount that sets me up for betting all low card rivers that he is priced in to call off.

bet turn/get it in imo

as they said not open limping these hands at this level but I would raise it it LP or limp behind an open limper.

how many 7-15$ ones you could get running between 2-12pm et?

when are peek hours, and how many 7$+ are running per hour?

any ideas ?

I was monitoring the lobby for most of the day and also played some $7s + $15s (not sick enough to play for 8 hours straight without a break).

I managed to play 6 $15s and 10 $7s from 10 AM til 4 PM. I'd imagine that if you played every single one, the number would be around double that. Maybe as high as 15 x $15s and 25 x $7s if you did an 8 hour session.

If you're going to be grinding for a living, the $3.50s are your lifeblood. You probably see close to 100 of them run in a day.

Hope that helps.

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Here is a screenshot taken of the lobby a few mins ago, which I would consider "peak" time:

nice! I thought they were completely dead but I guess I was wrong, cya tomorrow

My guess would be closer to 150 a day.

Is the shove on turn optimal or there is a way of extracting even more value?

You've bet an amount that has maximum fold equity and no-one called and now ask whether there is a way of extracting more value? What do you think you could do to get more value?

Yes, you have promoted a high hand that is currently only Ace high so that's never a bad thing, but you need to have knowledge of your opponents to ask whether this is optimal or not.

% of times they fold to your turn shove
% of times they call multiplied by the equity you have versus that calling range
% of times they call a smaller bet and fold river
% of times they call a smaller bet and call river with a worse hand
% of times they call a smaller bet and have a better hand
% of times you bet and fold river (unlikely in this scenario)

Just blindly shoving the turn here without thinking about these options is not optimal thinking.

Well, what I aim with this shove is to get rid of all mediocre high hands and even if called by some monster to still have enormous odds of scooping.

I was wondering if this is the correct play since I can easily run into A3 with a pair, however I am never folding since whatever card comes on the river I would always have the nut low...

So there are the alternative options for me:
- I minbet turn again and on the river villain might improve and it would be impossible for me to get him out of the hand, hence I would only get half the pot.
- I minbet turn and on the river I make a straight in addition to my nut low and I scare villain off, hence I would not get paid off.
- I minbet turn and on the river none of us has improved, but I shove and take the extra bet I put on the turn.

All in all I don't see myself ever folding on the river and I think I have pretty high fold equity on the turn. Therefore, in my opinion the shove is the optimal play, but I wanted to get some additional points of view.

With an SPR of <2 you can't really plump the pot any further and then expect a fold on the river so turn shove is standard.

With deeper stacks sure you can bet smaller with intention of shoving missed rivers and v betting when you hit.

Never worry about getting 1/4'd here unless its the first level or two imo.

BTW I don't like the open limp. Fold > Raise > Limp imo

It was a very soft table pre-flop and I thought I had some advantage over the others in the after-flop play and I didn't want to inflate the pot too much. I would never limp that generally. (but don't put this in your notes coz I might be levelling you here )

Time for some people to play some PLO8!!

I agree though with Fold>Raise>Limp. As played I definitely bet more on the flop.

500/1000 level has been added btw. Makes the 4 handed and less play a bit more skillful than before when it jumped from 400/800 to 600/1200.

lame. that big jump was very profitable imo

also makes these things even longer which is not great either

the mexican clown is running super hot against me

I don't remember many HU encounters w/ you, but doing ok in general.
I have a godlike image to maintain, right?
Won the little Big O on Monday and got 13th in 8.8 Omania today.
I think I've upped my game a notch, but still much improving to do.
Like the new O8/Omania tourneys, the Big O, and of course Courchevel.
Courchevel may be the only TCOOP event I play (gotta use them FPPs!).

My latest temporary nemesis has been Lytvyn.
Haven't seen a lot of the old regs much, which I don't mind one bit.

I am genuinely surprised how soft these still are. People's playing styles haven't changed.The hypers have really helped me exploit the FT's at these when I have dabbled.

I haven't come across anyone I rate so far except h.arml0s. Angribob and angryjuice are two that I rate from the past but obviously taking the time off!

Looking forward to getting some volume in at these in the new year.

allways nice to get more players in the 18 man.
here is a fun stat from me by the way.

by the way krusty and jia are grinding those alot lately too.....

Boy you are killing me out there Manndl

it won`t be much in your eyes,but for me its a bottle of nice scotch.
and i whisky

I had a chance to look up this rather irrelevant stat too and you are a confirmed fish Bob.



Time to up your game mate!

We are clearly better than you ....not.

Thnx for reply bob, good point.

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I dont wanna spoil the POST GOAL 2014, so i post here

I've been watching those players that i think, are the best players at 18man SNGs; they have an average
ROI between 13% to 18% at 15's and 21% to 28% at 7's.




(broken and juice are such a good players, but didn't play a lot last year)

Downswings could be hard, about 30-45 buyins is standard at this stakes.

Yes this is very important to me, but i think ROI is a good indicator to know if im doing things right.

I hope other players (amateur like me ) find this info useful.

gl guys!

Anyone have any guesses who Duncan Malloy plays nlo8 under now? He is sneaking around Stars playing freerolls and micro hu's under his old account, but I believe he is playing/cheating the 18 mans under a different account.