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Old 03-28-2011, 07:09 PM   #46
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re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

Thanks zuri1886

very good advice im too trigger happy at times

here is another one

Should i just fold this due to the low stack and the villan having a bigger stack or should he just fold after i raise or does the hand just play itself?


    Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8546202

    CO: 4,412 (22.1 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 3,098 (15.5 bb)
    SB: 1,220 (6.1 bb)
    BB: 4,770 (23.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 3 2 A
    CO raises to 600, Hero raises to 2,100, 2 folds, CO raises to 4,000, Hero calls 998 and is all-in

    Flop: (6,496) K 9 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (6,496) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (6,496) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 03-28-2011, 08:14 PM   #47
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    re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

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    Thanks zuri1886

    very good advice im too trigger happy at times

    here is another one

    Should i just fold this due to the low stack and the villan having a bigger stack or should he just fold after i raise or does the hand just play itself?


      Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8546202

      CO: 4,412 (22.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 3,098 (15.5 bb)
      SB: 1,220 (6.1 bb)
      BB: 4,770 (23.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 3 2 A
      CO raises to 600, Hero raises to 2,100, 2 folds, CO raises to 4,000, Hero calls 998 and is all-in

      Flop: (6,496) K 9 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (6,496) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (6,496) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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      u got to win, so u should go allin all the time on that spot.
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      Old 03-29-2011, 01:11 AM   #48
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      re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

      I've bubbled a lot of times on this spot, I don't know what to do 'cause I know that I'm ahead preflop, but chipleaders always are bullying and calling with wide range to be heros lol

      should I be folding since now? or been dumb it's the key to make money like DirtyTowel?



        Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (400/800 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BB: 12,978 (16.2 bb)
        Hero (MP): 3,740 (4.7 bb)
        CO: 3,629 (4.5 bb)
        BTN: 1,219 (1.5 bb)
        SB: 5,434 (6.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with A 8 A 5
        Hero raises to 2,800, 3 folds, BB calls 2,000

        Flop: (6,000) Q 9 K (2 players)
        BB bets 6,000, Hero calls 940 and is all-in

        Turn: (7,880) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (7,880) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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        Old 03-29-2011, 09:05 AM   #49
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        re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

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        I've bubbled a lot of times on this spot, I don't know what to do 'cause I know that I'm ahead preflop, but chipleaders always are bullying and calling with wide range to be heros lol

        should I be folding since now? or been dumb it's the key to make money like DirtyTowel?



          Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (400/800 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          BB: 12,978 (16.2 bb)
          Hero (MP): 3,740 (4.7 bb)
          CO: 3,629 (4.5 bb)
          BTN: 1,219 (1.5 bb)
          SB: 5,434 (6.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with A 8 A 5
          Hero raises to 2,800, 3 folds, BB calls 2,000

          Flop: (6,000) Q 9 K (2 players)
          BB bets 6,000, Hero calls 940 and is all-in

          Turn: (7,880) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: (7,880) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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          I dont see how you can play it any different nice hand 5 handed first to act you get in it. While you cant cripple the villan you can still take a just under third of his stack..
          That said if you know the BB will call wide then you'd have to ask Buzz or the other maths guys whats the call, i hope they do post as id be interested..
          But with no other info as played is right by me anyways..
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          Old 03-29-2011, 09:17 AM   #50
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          u got to win, so u should go allin all the time on that spot.
          Hey man thanks for the reply..
          I was thinking more about this hand today, i think that there is some merit in just calling. firstly the stacks are deep enough for a bit of play, 2nd i have position on the preflop raiser, also when i brick i can fold for not too much damage and lastly im might entice the short stack to push with a semi decent hand which me and the opener could then check down. But that will never happen unless he has a monster after my reraise..

          Thoughts?
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          Old 03-29-2011, 01:13 PM   #51
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          I dont see how you can play it any different nice hand 5 handed first to act you get in it. While you cant cripple the villan you can still take a just under third of his stack..
          That said if you know the BB will call wide then you'd have to ask Buzz or the other maths guys whats the call, i hope they do post as id be interested..
          But with no other info as played is right by me anyways..
          did you realize that there is a guy with 1bb?... if I fold and the blinds goes thru over me, I'll be with $1.800 and prey to get itm... I don't know if that's and alternative or not and maybe I posted the hand 'cause I was on tilt last night xD

          In fact, on the flop I got 90% of equity so it was another badbeat.

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          Hey man thanks for the reply..
          I was thinking more about this hand today, i think that there is some merit in just calling. firstly the stacks are deep enough for a bit of play, 2nd i have position on the preflop raiser, also when i brick i can fold for not too much damage and lastly im might entice the short stack to push with a semi decent hand which me and the opener could then check down. But that will never happen unless he has a monster after my reraise..

          Thoughts?
          Calling $600 to see a flop isn't that bad but ur missing some value with this hand 'cause you're going to be faced the most of the time only versus the openraiser, that 4bet isn't common so I think that you've to 3bet a run often on that spot.

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          Old 03-29-2011, 01:54 PM   #52
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          re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

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          did you realize that there is a guy with 1bb?... if I fold and the blinds goes thru over me, I'll be with $1.800 and prey to get itm... I don't know if that's and alternative or not and maybe I posted the hand 'cause I was on tilt last night xD

          In fact, on the flop I got 90% of equity so it was another badbeat.
          Ya i seen the guy on the 1 BB alright but if your giving up hands like this and he manages to survive his round of blinds you'll be getting into trouble and maay end up pushing worse with lower chips..
          just my thoughts..
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          Old 03-29-2011, 06:18 PM   #53
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          Ya i seen the guy on the 1 BB alright but if your giving up hands like this and he manages to survive his round of blinds you'll be getting into trouble and maay end up pushing worse with lower chips..
          just my thoughts..
          totally agree.. that's why I did it like that but I was wondering if there's any other way.

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          Old 03-30-2011, 05:41 AM   #54
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          re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

          I'd have just shoved it preflop. Yes, we are better against them. However there is a guy with 1,5BB, so in this situation winning the blinds that are already huge, would be fine enough. And by shoving you may have a slightly bigger FE.
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          Old 03-31-2011, 04:29 PM   #55
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          re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

          is it good to call here?


            Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 3 Players
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            BTN: 2,331 (3.9 bb)
            SB: 8,644 (14.4 bb)
            Hero (BB): 16,025 (26.7 bb)

            Preflop: (150) Hero is BB with 3 Q K A
            BTN folds, SB raises to 8,594 and is all-in, Hero??
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            Old 03-31-2011, 05:01 PM   #56
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            I would. On the SB they probably opened their shove range a bit to steal the blind. Most likely they have an Ace but you have the top end covered pretty well along with a flush. Why not.
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            Old 04-11-2011, 11:29 PM   #57
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            re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

            what roi do people have in these things at 6.50 level?
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            Old 04-12-2011, 12:15 AM   #58
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            I would. On the SB they probably opened their shove range a bit to steal the blind. Most likely they have an Ace but you have the top end covered pretty well along with a flush. Why not.
            disagree there. 3handed with a pay structure where 4-3-2-1 differences are all the same im sure he doesnt do that light. BTN has 3.9BB and will be in the Big Blinds after this.

            I might even fold but it really depends on reads and stuff. If i see the BTN folding to death i might fold to attack his BB after that and 1 round later attack the other guy ( where shortie will be in the SB and most likely fold, because he hopes to get 2nd somehow ). The 2nd biggest stack will have to fold most hands too and we take 2 in a row.

            But yea, if the SB is agressive overall i'd call but wouldnt really like it anyway since: yea we can bust a guy here and get HU with a huge chip lead, but the range im putting him on there beats us slightly and i would hate to double him up and then be sitting in the SB feeling i can't fold to the BB and stack that guy up ( if BTN folds next round ).

            The more i think of it, the more i'd fold.
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            Old 04-12-2011, 01:04 AM   #59
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            re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

            call. go big or go home :x
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            Old 04-12-2011, 01:12 AM   #60
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            re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

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            is it good to call here?


              Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 3 Players
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              BTN: 2,331 (3.9 bb)
              SB: 8,644 (14.4 bb)
              Hero (BB): 16,025 (26.7 bb)

              Preflop: (150) Hero is BB with 3 Q K A
              BTN folds, SB raises to 8,594 and is all-in, Hero??
              I snap call here and dont think twice.
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