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Old 08-11-2011, 06:23 AM   #151
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re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

Been taking a break from these for the past few weeks to play MTT. Firing them back up for the BOP promotion.

Interesting to read some of the different theories regarding FT stack sizes and shoving. What do people think are decent ROI in these?
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:48 AM   #152
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What do people think are decent ROI in these?
i am relatively new at 18-man turbos (played mostly 9-man normal earlier) and its still my so called learning phase. i made 15% ROI in the last 500 games (mixed 1.50s and 3.50s) but i think even 30%+ ROI is obtainable on these limits if you are good. there are a few guys from 2+2 whos SN i know (züri, manndl, broken_jia) they play above the 3.50s and have very impessive stats. maybe they will tell their exact ROIs.

(oh, almost forgot: manndl is not good but lucky)

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Old 08-11-2011, 08:56 AM   #153
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Been taking a break from these for the past few weeks to play MTT. Firing them back up for the BOP promotion.

Interesting to read some of the different theories regarding FT stack sizes and shoving. What do people think are decent ROI in these?
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:02 AM   #154
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What do people think are decent ROI in these?
You need to be more specific. It depends heavily on buy in and amount of tables being played.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:22 AM   #155
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i'll answer that for the 3.40s:

around 35% 20 tabling and
around 28% 30+ tabling

sample is good enough. For more infos u need to speak to my lawyer

Edit: i should just stay away from the high volume NLHE grind, since that crushes my roi in a negative way..
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i'll answer that for the 3.40s:

around 35% 20 tabling and
around 28% 30+ tabling

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pretty sure i only had 31% in the 3,40$
and my sample is too small for the 3,50$, plus i usally play only 12-16 s&gs
and i mix 1table,multitable,turbo and non turbo.
i`m on my laptop in switzerland right now and can`t look up my exact stats but my guess is my overall ROI with all buyins in O8 s&g should be around 27%
with not even close your volume
i will be in zürich on saturday perhaps u can show me how u manage such volume with that ROI.
(just kidding will just drive there to get my plane to italy)
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damn i was for sure gonna do that if u had the time

well funny thing is: my roi in 1.50s is lower by pretty much lol
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:15 AM   #158
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damn i was for sure gonna do that if u had the time

well funny thing is: my roi in 1.50s is lower by pretty much lol
Same!! 31% for the 3.5s and a lol 23% for the 1.5s.
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Zuri/Any stars regs. You should deposit on bodog and add 4 tables to your grind..... The best sng possible on stars is every sng on bodog. Yes 4table max but they have 10$ plo8 turbos that run regularly during the right hours. Occasionally the 22 runs as well. 40% roi so far but 50 is attainable.
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TARP!

    Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
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    SB: 3,872 (77.4 bb)
    BB: 175 (3.5 bb)
    MP1: 1,490 (29.8 bb)
    MP2: 2,650 (53 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 1,425 (28.5 bb)
    CO: 1,420 (28.4 bb)
    BTN: 2,468 (49.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7 A 3 7
    MP1 calls 50, MP2 calls 50, Hero calls 50, CO calls 50, BTN calls 50, SB completes, BB checks

    Flop: (350) 2 8 4 (7 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets 192, CO calls 192, BTN folds, SB calls 192, 2 folds, MP2 calls 192

    Turn: (1,118) T (4 players)
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    seriously, someone shoot me
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    Old 08-13-2011, 08:01 AM   #161
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    TARP!

      Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10268232

      SB: 3,872 (77.4 bb)
      BB: 175 (3.5 bb)
      MP1: 1,490 (29.8 bb)
      MP2: 2,650 (53 bb)
      Hero (MP3): 1,425 (28.5 bb)
      CO: 1,420 (28.4 bb)
      BTN: 2,468 (49.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7 A 3 7
      MP1 calls 50, MP2 calls 50, Hero calls 50, CO calls 50, BTN calls 50, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: (350) 2 8 4 (7 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets 192, CO calls 192, BTN folds, SB calls 192, 2 folds, MP2 calls 192

      Turn: (1,118) T (4 players)
      SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks




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      seriously, someone shoot me
      Wtf? How do you check that turn multiway. A CR looks ridonkulously strong and you are relying on only one player, the CO, to bet so you are massively risking value as he likely checks that turn through as well. Bet out. In the end you are checked to again so bet again. You are missing massive value, from weak flushes, weak lows and even sets. Bet, bet bet. Fancy play syndrome. I also bet a little more on the flop but this is minor compared to the turn. I would shoot you for that.

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      Old 08-13-2011, 08:06 AM   #162
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      Wtf? How do you check that turn multiway. A CR looks ridonkulously strong. Bet out. I also bet a little more on the flop. I shoot you for how badly you played the turn especially.
      I concur!

      and yeah, flop bet is really awful sizing - I have my presets setup for nlhe and tend to use them in the worst spots for o8.

      lol I'd love to use the excuse I was hu in an 8 game mtt at the time, but since I only had 2 tables open ....
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      Old 08-13-2011, 08:11 AM   #163
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      I concur!

      and yeah, flop bet is really awful sizing - I have my presets setup for nlhe and tend to use them in the worst spots for o8.

      lol I'd love to use the excuse I was hu in an 8 game mtt at the time, but since I only had 2 tables open ....
      Haha. I thought you were peeved at no-one taking your TARP!! At least you recognise the mistake !
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      nah the "TARP!" was facetiousness on steroids
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      much better imo

        Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 2 Players
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        SB: 7,750 (9.7 bb)
        Hero (BB): 19,250 (24.1 bb)

        Preflop: (100) Hero is BB with A 6 T 4
        SB raises to 7,700 and is all-in, Hero calls 6,900

        Flop: (15,500) 5 J 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: (15,500) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (15,500) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Results: 15,500 pot
        Final Board: 5 J 2 Q K
        SB showed 3 5 2 3 and lost (-7,750 net)
        Hero showed A 6 T 4 and won 15,500 (7,750 net)



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        interesting hand cause i like totally won a flip
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        Old 08-14-2011, 11:24 AM   #166
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        hi guys in italy its not possible for me to look it up
        can anyone tell me how i did in the mars division?
        low and high.
        thx alot guys
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        Old 08-14-2011, 11:28 AM   #167
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        hi guys in italy its not possible for me to look it up
        can anyone tell me how i did in the mars division?
        low and high.
        thx alot guys
        4th in low.
        25th in high.
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        better than i thought.
        thx alot
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          Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10290252

          Hero (SB): 6,195 (10.3 bb)
          BB: 3,345 (5.6 bb)
          MP: 9,544 (15.9 bb)
          CO: 5,614 (9.4 bb)
          BTN: 2,302 (3.8 bb)

          Preflop: (250) Hero is SB with T 8 K 9
          3 folds


          ??? is this always a ship?
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          Old 08-16-2011, 06:20 AM   #170
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            Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10290252

            Hero (SB): 6,195 (10.3 bb)
            BB: 3,345 (5.6 bb)
            MP: 9,544 (15.9 bb)
            CO: 5,614 (9.4 bb)
            BTN: 2,302 (3.8 bb)

            Preflop: (250) Hero is SB with T 8 K 9
            3 folds


            ??? is this always a ship?
            No not normally but it depends on BB. You are risking ~50% of your stack should you be called. So lets outline the scenarios. I am assuming the stack sizes posted are pre blinds and antes which I think is how the HH works on Stars.

            So hero has 5845. And villain has 2695. Pot is therefore 300+600+250= 1150 before any action.

            1. You shove and pick up blinds and antes. Stack size is 5845+1150= 6995. You still sit second in chips.
            2. You shove and split. Stack size is 5845+(1150/2)= 6420. You still sit second in chips.
            3. You shove and are scooped. Stack size 5845-2695=3150. You sit 4th and are now fighting with BTN to make it to the money.
            4. You fold. Stack size 5845. You still sit second in chips.
            5. You shove and scoop. 5845+1150+2695= 9690. You are now pretty much =1st in chips.

            To make a proper ICM decision you need to know how often he calls and what range of hands he calls with, which is beyond my capabilities. Maybe Buzz can extend this. If BB is very tight especially on bubble I will maybe consider a raise/shove. If BB is loose and calls a high % I fold.

            I am not aware of an ICM calculator for 08 though. You do however, get an idea of the different scenarios possible with the above. In only one scenario do you vastly increase your equity in the tournament and that is in the least likely outcome-shoving and scooping. Therefore, I will mostly fold.

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            Old 08-16-2011, 07:11 AM   #171
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            ok thnx

            i did end up folding but its such an easier spot in nlhe

            fwiw i think he's calling w ANY Axxx

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            Old 08-16-2011, 07:22 AM   #172
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            ok thnx

            i did end up folding but its such an easier spot in nlhe

            fwiw i think he's calling w ANY Axxx
            Ok. So tighter than most. I still fold. As to at your table? Was I shoving, tilting and making crazy calls and binking. If so yes that's me Running hotter than Scarlett Johansson in a bikini.
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            Ok. So tighter than most. I still fold. As to at your table? Was I shoving, tilting and making crazy calls and binking. If so yes that's me Running hotter than Scarlett Johansson in a bikini.
            lol actually no

            running hot yeah, but solid tag
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            Old 08-16-2011, 07:40 AM   #174
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            lol actually no

            running hot yeah, but solid tag
            Haha. Not me. PM me your guess, but pretty sure that isn't me!!
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            $3.16+$0.34

            Stacks:
            SB (13,229)
            Hero (BB) (13,771)

            Blinds: 400/800 Ante 50

            Pre-Flop: (1,300, 2 players) Hero is BB A 2 A 3
            SB calls 400, Hero raises to 2,000, SB goes all-in 13,179, Hero calls 11,179

            Flop: 8 J K (26,458, 2 players, 1 all-in)

            Turn: 5 (26,458, 2 players, 1 all-in)

            River: Q (26,458, 2 players, 1 all-in)

            Final Pot: 26,458
            SB shows HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
            A 8 A 10
            Hero shows HI: a pair of Aces
            A 2 A 3

            SB wins 26,458 (net +13,229)

            Hero lost 13,229
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            omg u are only self to blame.
            how can u call such a allin with that trashy cards
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            omg u are only self to blame.
            how can u call such a allin with that trashy cards
            hey manndl, you should teach me some strategy how to play crappy hands like this
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            k first rule:
            u have that hand,u fold it against me all the time.
            2nd:u move only allin against me with great hands like j937, k249 etc
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            Old 09-01-2011, 09:32 PM   #179
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            So I'm just curious as to people's thoughts on this: Stars does not have an option for 18 man 08 SNGs above $15. From what I have seen recently the $15 18 man turbos run relatively often so why not have a feature for higher buy-in. I'd love to see a $30 18 man running regularly.
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            So I'm just curious as to people's thoughts on this: Stars does not have an option for 18 man 08 SNGs above $15. From what I have seen recently the $15 18 man turbos run relatively often so why not have a feature for higher buy-in. I'd love to see a $30 18 man running regularly.
            Thats because 9 man 30$ sng do not run very often
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            So I'm just curious as to people's thoughts on this: Stars does not have an option for 18 man 08 SNGs above $15. From what I have seen recently the $15 18 man turbos run relatively often so why not have a feature for higher buy-in. I'd love to see a $30 18 man running regularly.
            you should email them and request it or make a petitionary thread here. maybe these sngs wont fill up so quickly but i think there are a few guys from 2+2 who would like to player 18 mans above $15s.
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            Old 09-04-2011, 06:43 AM   #182
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            I am so glad my chat ban is still in force lolz...no money in NLO8 SNGs too many solid ruskis...

              Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
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              SB: 4,430 (14.8 bb)
              BB: 4,897 (16.3 bb)
              UTG+2: 5,591 (18.6 bb)
              MP1: 855 (2.9 bb)
              MP2: 3,647 (12.2 bb)
              MP3: 327 (1.1 bb)
              Hero (CO): 2,985 (10 bb)
              BTN: 4,268 (14.2 bb)

              Preflop: (200) Hero is CO with A A 4 3
              2 folds, MP2 calls 300, MP3 folds, Hero raises to 2,960 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP2 calls 2,660

              Flop: (6,570) J K T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              Turn: (6,570) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: (6,570) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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                SB: 4,430 (14.8 bb)
                BB: 4,897 (16.3 bb)
                UTG+2: 5,591 (18.6 bb)
                MP1: 855 (2.9 bb)
                MP2: 3,647 (12.2 bb)
                MP3: 327 (1.1 bb)
                Hero (CO): 2,985 (10 bb)
                BTN: 4,268 (14.2 bb)

                Preflop: (200) Hero is CO with A A 4 3
                2 folds, MP2 calls 300, MP3 folds, Hero raises to 2,960 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP2 calls 2,660

                Flop: (6,570) J K T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                Turn: (6,570) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: (6,570) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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                Both are spew monkeys....

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                  MP2: 806 (8.1 bb)
                  MP3: 2,950 (29.5 bb)
                  CO: 374 (3.7 bb)
                  BTN: 2,932 (29.3 bb)
                  SB: 877 (8.8 bb)
                  Hero (BB): 1,582 (15.8 bb)
                  UTG+2: 1,455 (14.6 bb)
                  MP1: 1,364 (13.6 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 Q K 3
                  2 folds, MP2 calls 100, MP3 folds, CO calls 100, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

                  Flop: (400) 5 4 8 (4 players)
                  SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets 706 and is all-in, CO calls 274 and is all-in, Hero?
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                  i`m running like lately in the 18 man
                  and i have a new guy i can`t win any allin against:king_kurt4
                  he isnt even good,a losing player but he has my number
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                  i`m running like lately in the 18 man
                  and i have a new guy i can`t win any allin against:king_kurt4
                  he isnt even good,a losing player but he has my number
                  here is my advice: stop openshoving with K922. (no need to say thanks)
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                  Old 09-21-2011, 01:21 PM   #187
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                  bit of a crazy hand


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                    CO: 3,372 (33.7 bb)
                    BTN: 2,670 (26.7 bb)
                    SB: 4,310 (43.1 bb)
                    BB: 4,067 (40.7 bb)
                    UTG+1: 2,661 (26.6 bb)
                    UTG+2: 2,343 (23.4 bb)
                    MP1: 2,763 (27.6 bb)
                    Hero (MP2): 1,690 (16.9 bb)
                    MP3: 3,124 (31.2 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A 4 7 3
                    UTG+1 calls 100, UTG+2 calls 100, MP1 folds, Hero calls 100, MP3 calls 100, CO calls 100, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

                    Flop: (700) A 7 6 (7 players)
                    SB bets 100, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to 300, UTG+2 calls 300, Hero raises to 1,590 and is all-in, MP3 raises to 3,024 and is all-in, CO raises to 3,272 and is all-in, SB folds, UTG+1 calls 2,261 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls 1,943 and is all-in

                    Turn: (13,242) T (5 players, 5 are all-in)
                    River: (13,242) 2 (5 players, 5 are all-in)

                    Results: 13,242 pot
                    Final Board: A 7 6 T 2
                    CO showed T 3 7 2 and won 2,246 (-878 net)
                    SB mucked and lost (-200 net)
                    BB mucked and lost (-100 net)
                    UTG+1 showed 2 3 K K and lost (-2,661 net)
                    UTG+2 showed 4 J 6 Q and lost (-2,343 net)
                    Hero showed A 4 7 3 and won 8,750 (7,060 net)
                    MP3 showed 5 3 K 2 and won 2,246 (-878 net)



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                    Old 09-22-2011, 12:06 AM   #188
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                    close one. with ur stack it's somewhat tough to not get it in. But if the 2 villains in front of u are no complete spewtards i expect to bust more often then not in this spot.

                    So wp considering ur stacksize. if u had double that: not so much
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                    Old 09-22-2011, 05:11 AM   #189
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                    Interesting flop spot



                      [hand_history]Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10654492

                      MP1: 2,500 (83.3 bb)
                      MP2: 1,740 (58 bb)
                      Hero (MP3): 1,470 (49 bb)
                      CO: 1,010 (33.7 bb)
                      BTN: 1,190 (39.7 bb)
                      SB: 2,530 (84.3 bb)
                      BB: 1,480 (49.3 bb)
                      UTG+2: 1,580 (52.7 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 7 3 A
                      UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 folds, Hero calls 30, CO calls 30, BTN calls 30, SB completes, BB checks

                      Flop: (210) A 8 5 (7 players)
                      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero


                      All villains are pretty unknown but don't seem very spewy.
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                      Old 09-22-2011, 11:28 AM   #190
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                      Check. Too many ****ty turn cards and you're never taking it down on the flop.
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                      Old 09-22-2011, 01:31 PM   #191
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                      Interesting flop spot



                        [hand_history]Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10654492

                        MP1: 2,500 (83.3 bb)
                        MP2: 1,740 (58 bb)
                        Hero (MP3): 1,470 (49 bb)
                        CO: 1,010 (33.7 bb)
                        BTN: 1,190 (39.7 bb)
                        SB: 2,530 (84.3 bb)
                        BB: 1,480 (49.3 bb)
                        UTG+2: 1,580 (52.7 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 7 3 A
                        UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 folds, Hero calls 30, CO calls 30, BTN calls 30, SB completes, BB checks

                        Flop: (210) A 8 5 (7 players)
                        SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero


                        All villains are pretty unknown but don't seem very spewy.
                        Multiway, even with everyone having checked to you, this seems an ideal spot for pot control. Say you bet 120, get two callers, and the pot is @ 570 on the turn. There are so few turn cards you are going to like and you have already bloated the pot. I don't bloat and use position.
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                        Old 09-22-2011, 02:13 PM   #192
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                        here is my advice: stop openshoving with K922. (no need to say thanks)

                        HEY! that's my favorite hand!! shhh lol
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                        Old 09-22-2011, 02:21 PM   #193
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                        bit of a crazy hand


                          Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
                          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10641882

                          CO: 3,372 (33.7 bb)
                          BTN: 2,670 (26.7 bb)
                          SB: 4,310 (43.1 bb)
                          BB: 4,067 (40.7 bb)
                          UTG+1: 2,661 (26.6 bb)
                          UTG+2: 2,343 (23.4 bb)
                          MP1: 2,763 (27.6 bb)
                          Hero (MP2): 1,690 (16.9 bb)
                          MP3: 3,124 (31.2 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A 4 7 3
                          UTG+1 calls 100, UTG+2 calls 100, MP1 folds, Hero calls 100, MP3 calls 100, CO calls 100, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

                          Flop: (700) A 7 6 (7 players)
                          SB bets 100, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to 300, UTG+2 calls 300, Hero raises to 1,590 and is all-in, MP3 raises to 3,024 and is all-in, CO raises to 3,272 and is all-in, SB folds, UTG+1 calls 2,261 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls 1,943 and is all-in

                          Turn: (13,242) T (5 players, 5 are all-in)
                          River: (13,242) 2 (5 players, 5 are all-in)

                          Results: 13,242 pot
                          Final Board: A 7 6 T 2
                          CO showed T 3 7 2 and won 2,246 (-878 net)
                          SB mucked and lost (-200 net)
                          BB mucked and lost (-100 net)
                          UTG+1 showed 2 3 K K and lost (-2,661 net)
                          UTG+2 showed 4 J 6 Q and lost (-2,343 net)
                          Hero showed A 4 7 3 and won 8,750 (7,060 net)
                          MP3 showed 5 3 K 2 and won 2,246 (-878 net)



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                          shove the flop and still got a multiway all in lol they all had a piece, big pot and a nice win
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                          Old 09-22-2011, 05:46 PM   #194
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                          shove the flop and still got a multiway all in lol they all had a piece, big pot and a nice win
                          I was multi tabling at the time and was in a state of shock to see everyone else still stay in. Was a pretty nice bink on the river.

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                          Multiway, even with everyone having checked to you, this seems an ideal spot for pot control. Say you bet 120, get two callers, and the pot is @ 570 on the turn. There are so few turn cards you are going to like and you have already bloated the pot. I don't bloat and use position.
                          I ended up betting 120 I think got called in 3 spots checked it down and won half. Two picture cards came down. After hand thought it was a bit of a big mistake betting flop as i'm just bloating with a weak hand.
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 07:20 AM   #195
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                          Omaha Hi/Lo NL Tournament
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                          $3.16+$0.34

                          Stacks:
                          UTG (1,400)
                          UTG+1 (2,565)
                          MP (955)
                          CO (1,120)
                          BTN (1,280)
                          Hero (SB) (1,590)
                          BB (1,465)

                          Blinds: 50/100

                          Pre-Flop: (150, 7 players) Hero is SB 6 Q 9 10
                          5 folds, Hero calls 50, 1 fold

                          Final Pot: 200

                          Hero wins 200 (net +100)
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 09:21 AM   #196
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                          he probably put u on an overpair and didnt want to risk to flop set over set ( which on stars should be around a chance of 50% ). well played.
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 09:32 AM   #197
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                          definitely. i am terrific or he had 222J and didnt see a real chance for a set
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 11:15 AM   #198
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                          omg i wanna run once like zuri
                          not 1 allin he doesnt hit
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 12:03 PM   #199
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                          omg i wanna run once like zuri
                          not 1 allin he doesnt hit
                          well played like 40 wcoop sattys and didnt make the ticket, placed like 14. in mtt's holding the nuts on the flop getting sucked out later and played like 40 sngs of which i get busted holding the better of it like 85% of the time.

                          Then i won like 2 all ins vs u and lost 1 ( had the better hand there as well ).

                          btw: says the guy winning the high orbit and cashed top 3 in low if i remember right fiew weeks ago?

                          wasn't ur session overall from what i've seen but it's not like i usually win a flip against u
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                          Old 09-23-2011, 02:14 PM   #200
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                          u should know by now i need some mimimiiii from time to time.
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