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04-17-2012 , 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by manndl
this hand is about buttons play not mine.(im super short i have to call)
is his call with his hand profitable?




    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12599342

    SB: 4,289 (42.9 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,307 (13.1 bb)
    MP1: 2,142 (21.4 bb)
    MP2: 2,041 (20.4 bb)
    MP3: 64 (0.6 bb)
    CO: 2,075 (20.8 bb)
    BTN: 1,582 (15.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 3 4
    4 folds, BTN raises to 300, SB raises to 4,289 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,207 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,282 and is all-in




    BTN has Q A 4 6
    Are you sure thats the right hand? Where are you super short? And what
    play are you wondering about? The open to 300 with his Hand? From a
    cEV perspective he only needs 28.67% Equity, with his hands he has that
    easy.
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    04-17-2012 , 11:40 AM
    Ok so obviously opening this hand from the button

    question is if i should call post right?

    Villain was an unknown so lets give him a wide-ish range say 15%

    your a nit ldo so 10% sound ok?

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
    600,000 trials (Randomized)
    Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
    Qh Ac 4c 6h31.60% 100,439198,80129,53756,13343,167
    15%32.85% 105,050176,86928,25474,53775,753
    10%35.55% 115,524182,25228,88095,28175,289

    Pot is offering me 2.49 to 1 which is 29% (from holdem manager)

    So calling is slightly better than folding
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    04-17-2012 , 11:45 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Angribob

    your a nit ldo so 10% sound ok?
    not everyone needs to know that.
    thx for the stats.wasn`t sure if the play is +EV.
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    04-17-2012 , 12:33 PM
    snap call, don't see how u can fold that after opening
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    04-18-2012 , 04:39 PM
    Never got AA so many times in 1 day OBV getting crushed
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    04-18-2012 , 06:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
    Never got AA so many times in 1 day OBV getting crushed
    I'm runnin like crap too... hoping my heater hasn't ended
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    04-18-2012 , 09:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by manndl
    this hand is about buttons play not mine.(im super short i have to call)
    is his call with his hand profitable?



      [hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12599342

      SB: 4,289 (42.9 bb)
      Hero (BB): 1,307 (13.1 bb)
      MP1: 2,142 (21.4 bb)
      MP2: 2,041 (20.4 bb)
      MP3: 64 (0.6 bb)
      CO: 2,075 (20.8 bb)
      BTN: 1,582 (15.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 3 4
      4 folds, BTN raises to 300, SB raises to 4,289 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,207 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,282 and is all-in




      BTN has Q A 4 6

      looks to me like ur spot is closer to a fold than his. Ur not short at all, u have 12 bigs if u fold. saying that some days i call some days i fold in ur spot.

      I'm never raise folding the button in his spot but i would rather just shove.
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      04-18-2012 , 09:35 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by billygstar
      looks to me like ur spot is closer to a fold than his. Ur not short at all, u have 12 bigs if u fold. saying that some days i call some days i fold in ur spot.

      I'm never raise folding the button in his spot but i would rather just shove.
      I agree with this also. It depends slightly on what I think of SB but I'm folding here a lot of the time.
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      04-18-2012 , 10:07 PM
      Yeah don't want to pile on but AQ34 is a snap fold and I'm prolly stacking it off with the AQ46 but would prolly open smaller to begin with.
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      04-19-2012 , 03:44 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by billygstar
      looks to me like ur spot is closer to a fold than his.
      with my notes on SB i gotta snap call.
      since i played with BTN from time to time im sure he will raise here with the top 20%-25%(could be top 30%too) especially me beeing in the BB.
      since my database at the 18 man is older than BTNs im pretty sure SB is a unknown to him.
      but as i said my post wasnt about my play.
      that was the answer to my question.
      ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
      600,000 trials (Randomized)
      Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
      Qh Ac 4c 6h31.60% 100,439198,80129,53756,13343,167
      15%32.85% 105,050176,86928,25474,53775,753
      10%35.55% 115,524182,25228,88095,28175,289

      here is what happened by the way.




        Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12619152

        SB: 4,289 (42.9 bb)
        Hero (BB): 1,307 (13.1 bb)
        MP1: 2,142 (21.4 bb)
        MP2: 2,041 (20.4 bb)
        MP3: 64 (0.6 bb)
        CO: 2,075 (20.8 bb)
        BTN: 1,582 (15.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 3 4
        4 folds, BTN raises to 300, SB raises to 4,289 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,207 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,282 and is all-in

        Flop: (4,471) T 3 3 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
        Turn: (4,471) Q (3 players, 3 are all-in)
        River: (4,471) 2 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

        Results: 4,471 pot
        Final Board: T 3 3 Q 2
        SB showed A 9 K 9 and lost (-1,582 net)
        Hero showed A Q 3 4 and won 3,921 (2,614 net)
        BTN showed Q A 4 6 and won 550 (-1,032 net)



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        Last edited by manndl; 04-19-2012 at 04:00 AM.
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        04-19-2012 , 12:41 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by billygstar
        looks to me like ur spot is closer to a fold than his. Ur not short at all, u have 12 bigs if u fold. saying that some days i call some days i fold in ur spot.

        I'm never raise folding the button in his spot but i would rather just shove.
        I third this. If villain made any mistake at all it is when he didn't shove pre himself. His stack is way too small to raise fold so if he is going to call off anyway better to shove and have better odds at stealing. Letting people see a flop first is almost always a mistake if the blinds are 10% of your stack.
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        04-25-2012 , 10:26 AM
        Check out this clairvoyant miss-click. Bet my opponents were pissed!


          Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12733402

          CO: 1,640 (16.4 bb)
          BTN: 1,688 (16.9 bb)
          SB: 1,280 (12.8 bb)
          Hero (BB): 1,600 (16 bb)
          MP1: 1,612 (16.1 bb)
          MP2: 2,065 (20.7 bb)
          MP3: 3,615 (36.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with T 5 T J
          MP1 calls 100, MP2 calls 100, 2 folds, BTN calls 100, SB completes, Hero checks

          Flop: (500) Q 2 5 (5 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 250, MP2 calls 250, BTN folds, SB calls 250, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, MP1 raises to 1,512 and is all-in, MP2 calls 1,262, SB calls 930 and is all-in

          Turn: (6,204) Q (4 players, 3 are all-in)
          River: (6,204) T (4 players, 3 are all-in)

          Results: 6,204 pot
          Final Board: Q 2 5 Q T
          BTN mucked and lost (-100 net)
          SB showed T 3 6 K and lost (-1,280 net)
          Hero showed T 5 T J and won 6,180 (4,580 net)
          MP1 showed 6 A 3 4 and lost (-1,612 net)
          MP2 showed A 3 K 5 and won 24 (-1,588 net)



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          04-25-2012 , 12:20 PM
          I always knew you were a superuser
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          04-25-2012 , 12:30 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Angribob
          Check out this clairvoyant miss-click. Bet my opponents were pissed!


            Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12733402

            CO: 1,640 (16.4 bb)
            BTN: 1,688 (16.9 bb)
            SB: 1,280 (12.8 bb)
            Hero (BB): 1,600 (16 bb)
            MP1: 1,612 (16.1 bb)
            MP2: 2,065 (20.7 bb)
            MP3: 3,615 (36.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with T 5 T J
            MP1 calls 100, MP2 calls 100, 2 folds, BTN calls 100, SB completes, Hero checks

            Flop: (500) Q 2 5 (5 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 250, MP2 calls 250, BTN folds, SB calls 250, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, MP1 raises to 1,512 and is all-in, MP2 calls 1,262, SB calls 930 and is all-in

            Turn: (6,204) Q (4 players, 3 are all-in)
            River: (6,204) T (4 players, 3 are all-in)

            Results: 6,204 pot
            Final Board: Q 2 5 Q T
            BTN mucked and lost (-100 net)
            SB showed T 3 6 K and lost (-1,280 net)
            Hero showed T 5 T J and won 6,180 (4,580 net)
            MP1 showed 6 A 3 4 and lost (-1,612 net)
            MP2 showed A 3 K 5 and won 24 (-1,588 net)



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            What is most surprising is that you actually had the lead when you shoved. I mean sure it's nice to river a full house but in fact a blank was all you needed to scoop.
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            04-25-2012 , 12:51 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by MUST.STOP.CALLING
            What is most surprising is that you actually had the lead when you shoved. I mean sure it's nice to river a full house but in fact a blank was all you needed to scoop.
            You might wanna re-do the math, it's not a 1-1 situation. And the "all you need" (to chop) is about 14:19 to happen

            So yeah, let's hope it was a misclick.
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            04-25-2012 , 01:03 PM
            Cmon guys lets get some 30s running. To often myself and macr0s are the only 2 registered for these. I know we are not the only 2 players willing to play these so why not register. Fish are not going to join if they see 2 out of 18 but if we had 7 or 8 players committed to registering for these we could get these filled a lot easier.
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            04-25-2012 , 02:47 PM
            PokerStars - $27.78+$2.22|10/20 NL Hi/Lo (9 max) - Omaha - 8 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

            MP+1: 1,480.00
            CO: 1,490.00
            BTN: 3,050.00
            Hero (SB): 1,460.00
            BB: 1,500.00
            UTG: 1,500.00
            UTG+1: 1,520.00
            MP: 1,500.00

            Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

            Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has A 6 A J

            fold, UTG+1 raises to 1,520.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1,450.00 and is all-in, fold

            Flop: (2940.00, 2 players) 7 9 2

            Turn: (2940.00, 2 players) 8

            River: (2940.00, 2 players) Q

            Hero shows A 6 A J (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 63%, Flop 79%, Turn 89%)
            UTG+1 shows 2 4 4 T (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 37%, Flop 21%, Turn 11%)
            Hero wins 2,940.00


            PokerStars - $27.78+$2.22|10/20 NL Hi/Lo (9 max) - Omaha - 9 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

            BTN: 1,500.00
            SB: 1,500.00
            BB: 1,500.00
            Hero (UTG): 1,500.00
            UTG+1: 1,500.00
            MP: 1,500.00
            MP+1: 1,500.00
            LP: 1,500.00
            CO: 1,500.00

            SB posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

            Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 9 A 9 2

            Hero calls 20.00, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 100.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 1,500.00 and is all-in, fold, MP+1 calls 1,400.00 and is all-in

            Flop: (3030.00, 2 players) 7 4 Q

            Turn: (3030.00, 2 players) 7

            River: (3030.00, 2 players) 3

            BB shows A 2 A 6 (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 70%, Flop 89%, Turn 100%)
            MP+1 shows 9 T K J (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 30%, Flop 11%, Turn 0%)
            BB wins 3,030.00
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            04-25-2012 , 02:51 PM
            Those are in the wrong order but happened on back to back hands
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            04-25-2012 , 03:10 PM
            Can only agree with you juicy. Let's hope the traffic will get better again...
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            04-25-2012 , 03:31 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
            Cmon guys lets get some 30s running. To often myself and macr0s are the only 2 registered for these. I know we are not the only 2 players willing to play these so why not register. Fish are not going to join if they see 2 out of 18 but if we had 7 or 8 players committed to registering for these we could get these filled a lot easier.
            I will play those more often once/if Stars introduces synchronized breaks in 18-mans. For now $15's are enough for me, as I couldn't manage bigger number of sngs during my standard mtt sessions.
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            04-26-2012 , 10:35 AM
            i`m running again and zur1978 is killing me.
            not 1 flip i can win against him for a week now
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            04-26-2012 , 11:38 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Extinuous
            I will play those more often once/if Stars introduces synchronized breaks in 18-mans. For now $15's are enough for me, as I couldn't manage bigger number of sngs during my standard mtt sessions.
            +1
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            05-12-2012 , 01:18 PM
            yes quads. no wait straight flush too

            thats nut nut nut imo

              Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12845602

              MP2: 1,632 (8.2 bb)
              Hero (MP3): 4,349 (21.7 bb)
              CO: 6,193 (31 bb)
              BTN: 1,814 (9.1 bb)
              SB: 4,364 (21.8 bb)
              BB: 1,549 (7.7 bb)
              UTG+2: 2,780 (13.9 bb)
              MP1: 4,319 (21.6 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 2 4 A
              3 folds, Hero raises to 444, CO raises to 1,000, 3 folds, Hero calls 556

              Flop: (2,500) 5 6 5 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets 850, Hero raises to 3,324 and is all-in, CO calls 2,474

              Turn: (9,148) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: (9,148) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Results: 9,148 pot
              Final Board: 5 6 5 3 5
              Hero showed 5 2 4 A and won 6,861 (2,512 net)
              CO showed 2 6 K A and won 2,287 (-2,062 net)



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              05-16-2012 , 04:01 PM
              I dont play too many 18 mans in these days but i noticed the traffic is kinda low, isnt it?
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              05-16-2012 , 05:15 PM
              Traffic is low in every form of 08 my friend
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