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Old 01-17-2012, 12:56 PM   #406
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re: Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread

It took 62 tourneys for Wadzon to piss me off.

PokerStars - $6.45+$0.55|200/400 NL Hi/Lo (9 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Jp_3391 (BTN): 1,840.00
wadzon (SB): 11,670.00
bene1512 (BB): 3,291.00
RomaSTK2 (UTG): 3,217.00
1MoreFish4U (CO): 6,982.00

Jp_3391 posts ante 25.00, wadzon posts ante 25.00, bene1512 posts ante 25.00, RomaSTK2 posts ante 25.00, 1MoreFish4U posts ante 25.00, wadzon posts SB 200.00, bene1512 posts BB 400.00

Pre Flop: (725.00) 1MoreFish4U has 7 7 A 3

fold, 1MoreFish4U raises to 3,200.00, fold, wadzon raises to 11,645.00 and is all-in, fold, 1MoreFish4U calls 3,757.00 and is all-in

Flop: (14439.00, 2 players) 3 5 Q

Turn: (14439.00, 2 players) A

River: (14439.00, 2 players) 6

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Old 01-17-2012, 01:08 PM   #407
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It is my style. When I the chepleader.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:26 PM   #408
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It took 62 tourneys for Wadzon to piss me off.
really how many s&gs did i need to accomplish that

as he said pretty much standart wadzon,if he has chips
and sorry to say;but poorly played against any chipleader with your hand.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:33 PM   #409
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Too wanted to write that а773 certainly - horror.
ps By the way month goes well
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:39 PM   #410
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really how many s&gs did i need to accomplish that

as he said pretty much standart wadzon,if he has chips
and sorry to say;but poorly played against any chipleader with your hand.
I doubt you could accomplish it. You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.

As for poorly played, there are different styles, but your choice to try to limp into the money as you seem to, is imho a weak strategy. Whe we have played together on this site, when you do get near the money you seldom have a big stack, and they you are playing to hold on.

I play to win, not for minor cashes.

I look at it this way in his spot. If everyone folds which is somewhat likely, he has 11,670 and I have 7,582. Calling with crap hand like his against my range - and losing, he has 4,700 ish and I have 14,500. To me, there are better spots than his.

To each their own.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:41 PM   #411
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Too wanted to write that а773 certainly - horror.
ps By the way month goes well
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I don't know what tools you rank your hands with, but A3 - 77 certainly stronger than the random hand you risked over half your stack with.

BTW, nice graph. Good for you. Now if you had said you are just playing your month long rush, I could live with that lol.

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Old 01-17-2012, 02:35 PM   #412
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You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.
never heard that about me before.
i dont like your wording,this is a nice forum u know
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:00 PM   #413
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Bakyka I don't completely disagree with you, but a point maybe I didn't make clear is that in 62 tourneys this is the 1st time I have seen this kind of thing from him - likely just circumstances.

Also, it was 60% of his stack, and he chose to risk it with nothing invested, with a hand that he has to know is worse than 50-50 against my entire range there.

Again, I emphasize that with those risks in mind, he ought to realize that the majority of the time he will make me a huge chip leader and the tournament is effectively over when I have that kind of chip lead.

The biggest error I made was not shoving. I let him think I was willing to fold if he shoved over top of me.

Wadzon certainly does not have the stats of a spew monkey, and I think he is a good, tough player overall.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:03 PM   #414
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never heard that about me before.
i dont like your wording,this is a nice forum u know
We haven't played a lot of sngs so far, so that's just what I have observed in a limited sample. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.

As for the wording, don't be a little bitch and get your panties in a bunch. The worst 2 things about this forum are that :

a) Buzz mods it look a schoolmarm.

b) many of the best posters I have seen here over many years stopped bothering, often because Buzz mods like a schoolmarm.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:18 PM   #415
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SNGs aren't really about style for the most part, they are far more about following a largely well known and prescribed formula for each blind level. That is why there aren't too many SNG grinders who can transition to cash that naturally. SNGs encourage you to think less about the game, from my personal experience, and transitioned to cash, often leads to predictable play.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:30 PM   #416
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. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.
i really don`t get that.
sadly my tracker only knows u from s&gs.
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Bakyka I don't completely disagree with you, but a point maybe I didn't make clear is that in 62 tourneys this is the 1st time I have seen this kind of thing from him - likely just circumstances.

Also, it was 60% of his stack, and he chose to risk it with nothing invested, with a hand that he has to know is worse than 50-50 against my entire range there.

Again, I emphasize that with those risks in mind, he ought to realize that the majority of the time he will make me a huge chip leader and the tournament is effectively over when I have that kind of chip lead.

The biggest error I made was not shoving. I let him think I was willing to fold if he shoved over top of me.

Wadzon certainly does not have the stats of a spew monkey, and I think he is a good, tough player overall.
I deleted my original post because I think the calculations I made there were some mistakes + I missed some other factors and didnt want to start a redundant debate.

Anyway I would have folded your hand (knowing wadzon can make moves like this) but I cant say if you shove (for the reasoning you wrote above) you make a huge mistake.

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Old 01-17-2012, 05:17 PM   #418
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1MoreFish4U, shove is far and away the best play in that spot. 3200 might seem like a shove to you, but from the chipleader's perspective, he sees it as an opportunity to exploit your ICM-suicide play (where you should be raise/folding 3200 with all your non-top 5% hands).

Are you raising 3200 so that a reshove by the 3217 or 3291 stacks will not price you out of the pot? Its really a weird and unnecessary sizing imo.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:45 PM   #419
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Jia - you are right. I can't even answer why I didn't shove.
I shove every single time in that spot.

Must have been a brain fart.
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9:39 am in response to post by manndl.
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I doubt you could accomplish it. You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.
11:03 an in response to another post by manndl.
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We haven't played a lot of sngs so far, so that's just what I have observed in a limited sample. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.

As for the wording, don't be a little bitch and get your panties in a bunch. The worst 2 things about this forum are that :

a) Buzz mods it look a schoolmarm.

b) many of the best posters I have seen here over many years stopped bothering, often because Buzz mods like a schoolmarm.
Iím going to suspend you for three days and give you 20 non-expiring penalty points because of these two posts. And when you come back, if you ever do, youíll owe manndl a public apology and you'll owe me a list of former best posters who stopped posting because of the way I mod.

Is that how a schoolmarm would mod?

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