I am so pissed, I play 18 man sng's from 1.75 to 6.50, In the 1.75 high orbit I had 1480 pts with 80 played. I only cashed in 1 out of the last 20. How the F can I only cash in 1 out of 20 after I was on fire

U made a capital mistake then Barbiaux. We played tonns of sngs 2gether yesterday during me running like crap as well if u remember. Usually u dont have a shot on high orbit playing turbos since the swings are big and there can be 10+ sngs without cashing. Since u just get 63 points for first and 45 for first place if u play 9 handed non turbo ( where edge counts more ) its clearly - EV tu play 18 man turbo if u going for the BOTP high Orbit.

If i have a week where i wanna play turbos ( i usually play k.o's ) i try to score in the low orbit. if i had 1480 points after 80 in one level i'd imediately switch to ko's again, make my safe 300 points in the last 20 and get 1780 for quite sure. Obv u could make a huge score if u keep playing 18man, but i hardly ever had 100 sngs without running miserable at some point.


Me myself, i will forget about the BOTP the upcoming week and try to be playing around 2k sngs ( 18 man turbo ). Started 50 tabling yesterday stacking tables for the first time and it worked out ok. So forget about roi and go more on hourly rate.

gl us two

Man I wish I would have known that 24 hours ago. I have never played KO's at least not multy table them. The level of play is pretty poor at the 1.40 level. A few good players but not many. The 4.10 level is slightly better but not much. I was heads up against someone, I had 12k chips and he had 2k of course I shoved every hand and he folded all the way down to 400 chips. Thanks for the tip, see ya out there

hi zuri, how do you cope 50 tabling these? i struggle with 10 tabling the knock outs, especially when i get three or four down to the last three or heads-up at the same time.

do you play mainly push or fold, and how much does your roi drop when you mass multitable?

best of luck!

hi guys:

@ Barbiaux: yea especially if u're saying u went on a good BOTP run in the 1 dollar level. There is NO WAY u dont get at least around 200 points even if running very bad in the 1.40 k.o. these sngs get very tiring since they are non turbo and if u run bad and bubble a lot u feel like u wasted a lot of time, but if u watch the SNG Leaderbaord on stars the K.O. Players usually score very well.

@ mullion: sry if that was a missunderstanding ( my engl.. ), but i dont 50 table k.o's since there is a lot more postflop play involved in these. I play like 24 tables of k.o's and for now around 50 18 man turbo tables. Its kinda easy: if i play turbos, i stack tables and the ones im very deep and if there is only like 2-6 left i put the table on a corner to be able to focus a little more on it.

I dont stack tables when playing K.O's at all, since u need to see whats going on and u have to chat to your fellow buddies as well. I agree it gets tough if you're 3handed- on like 8 tables at a time, but i believe ive played so many Omaha8 sngs that most of the decisions are so automatic that this doesn't bother me too much.

As far as the roi goes: i guess i have one of the better roi's of Omaha8 sng players according to sharkscope when like 20 tabling, it will be interesting to see what happens if i 50 table for a week straight and play around 2k sngs ( i keep u posted ), but even if it drops to like 10-15% with an average buy in of like 5 dollars that still be around 1k - 1.5k ( plus the rakeback ) just playing micro sngs. im looking forward to how this turns out.

Do any of you have the same problem as I do with PS. When i have more then 10 sng's running and I go into the main screen of pokerstars if frezzes for about 10 sec and makes me time out of some tables. I don't know if this is a problem with my internet which is cable or if its a ps issue.

@zuri: I have a question to you. When do you play usually? Cause I play from 8-12 central european time and 17-21 central european time. In the morning it is really difficult to run not 20 but only 4-6 table. How do you deal with that?

even in your best case you're ****ed. even tho they're DS, this a terrible pair of kings. and at this level. considering calling is bad

when i used to grind sngs I had some tricks for bop. someone already said to avoid turbo 18mans at the end and thats solid. Id play 18mans in the beginning of a low orbit block and if it was looking good game select to close out. The same thing can be applied to high orbit if you're looking good

I would get this in multiways, you practically have the nuts and you need to capitalize on this. What are you're finish position stats? if you're timid here you might not be playing for the win enough

Hi guys!

What do you think which strategy is better? To be really agressive and fight sometimes battles in which sometimes we are underdog, and get out 3 times out of 4 but got itm with high chiplead or be a bit tighter and get into itm 2 times out of 4, but with a middle stack?

i live in Switzerland, having the same problem. Daytime pretty much sucks over here, so i usually play form like 7p.m. to 7a.m. CET. I play a lot of live games ( make my living there for the most part ) as well, and they start at 8p.m. anyway.

Its tough cause having a gf, wanting a social life AND grinding Omaha8 doesnt really fit in Europe. I even tried NLHE because of that, but the edge just isnt big enough for me ( or i will just keep losing AA to AK PFAI )

If i'd have a regular job i and play the hours u do, i would probably play much higher but smaller amount of tables until im sure to be able to make myself a living and turn pro playing nightime again

gl

get it in as an underdog is sometimes just what u need to do in turbo sngs. I obv check out what player just shoved into me, but for the most part u need chips. Not just because u want to go 1st ( since jumps from 4-3-2-1 are the same ) but also because the other players will be timide. If u sitting in the BB ( on 800/1600 blinds ) ppl with 4k stacks will think 4 times about shoving ur BB when u have like 9k chips, but they dont if u have like 2k behind.

Getting some walks there is huge and ur able to control the field pretty much, cause they also dont call u to light. I rather take 7th or 8th then bubble because i was auto all in.

It obv all depends on stack sizes, position, reads and stuff.

agreed, i started a thread a week or 2 ago that I was frustrated because in 40 sng's i finished on the final table in all of them but bubbled almost half of them. Since talking to a few people on here I changed my early style to be much more agressive and having the chips behind me has made a huge improvement. There is a downside of going out early but this game is much easier when you have a 4k stack and everyone else at the table has under 2k. If you are multy tabling them then its not really a big deal of going out early hoever if your on your last dollar or you only play one a day then I would stay tight.


BTW zuri how was the weekend and tabling 50 at a time. I finally was able to get 25 running without losing my mind cant imagine 50. If may be easier if PS would stop freezing on me when I register for a new one.

On a brighter note I won $5.00 for my finishing spot. First week I have completed a high orbit and first time winning money for it. Yes I know its only $5.00 but its better in my account than pokerstars account

i just played it yesterday. Was rough, i was pretty tired and was stuck at like 45 tables or so. played 300 sngs by the end of the day. Was running ultra bad losing almost every big hand, so cant really say much about how it affects the roi, but i guess huge i need a break, might be playing some k.o's today and go back into turbos 2morrow. 2k is the goal, we'll see

I have this problem too a lot of the time. Of course my PC is like 8 or 9 years old so that probably has a lot to do with it but it doesn't freeze while playing, only while going back to the lobby to register for a new game. Fwiw I have DSL internet so I don't think your cable is the issue.

Maybe the computer? The computer I use is old but works for everything I need it to. I emailed pokerstars to see if they knew of anything by no response yet.

Hey guys pretty sure i didnt play this well..
But after i open pot here can i fold to the reraise?

nah after u pot it u can't really fold.

U are 6handed, ur stack is 10BB and you are UTG with a decent but not great hand.

With the stack sizes given on the table, that would be one of the rare spots i'd limp.
I'll call MP's possible all in that is prop. gonna come up, but i'd fold to a pot bet by any other guy to not get in this spot.

Thanks zuri1886

very good advice im too trigger happy at times

here is another one

Should i just fold this due to the low stack and the villan having a bigger stack or should he just fold after i raise or does the hand just play itself?

u got to win, so u should go allin all the time on that spot.

I've bubbled a lot of times on this spot, I don't know what to do 'cause I know that I'm ahead preflop, but chipleaders always are bullying and calling with wide range to be heros lol

should I be folding since now? or been dumb it's the key to make money like DirtyTowel?

I dont see how you can play it any different nice hand 5 handed first to act you get in it. While you cant cripple the villan you can still take a just under third of his stack..
That said if you know the BB will call wide then you'd have to ask Buzz or the other maths guys whats the call, i hope they do post as id be interested..
But with no other info as played is right by me anyways..

Hey man thanks for the reply..
I was thinking more about this hand today, i think that there is some merit in just calling. firstly the stacks are deep enough for a bit of play, 2nd i have position on the preflop raiser, also when i brick i can fold for not too much damage and lastly im might entice the short stack to push with a semi decent hand which me and the opener could then check down. But that will never happen unless he has a monster after my reraise..

Thoughts?