Merge Network $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1850111
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BTN: $55.63
Hero (SB): $19.71
BB: $19.57
UTG: $28.18
CO: $18.15

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with J 2 3 A
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.35, Hero raises to $4.80, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.55, CO calls $4.55, BTN calls $3.45

Flop: ($19.45) 5 T 8 (4 players)
Hero ???

was ready to play for stacks with any sort of flop, but its a complete whiff. villians loose/aggro, could have anything although not totally random.

cbet? c/c? c/f?

starting from the end:

1) SPR = 0.75 -> S-H-O-V-E

2) flatting pre and playing a multiway medium sized pot with this hand is yummy, even from out of position.

3) top up now so you can play with a full stack on the button next hand.

easy shove and this is decent flop for us. Whiffing for us would be 4 Q 9 flop

not an auto-shove since we are ok with keeping more players in the pot - we don't want to isolate against our strongest opponents

maybe b/c $5

not sure if check/call would be better than that

although its not much of a hand, you can get all your money in as the preflop raiser OTF on a nice semibluff, there's a ton of dead money out there, so put it in and pray. maybe whole table calls, you dont mind that. its just when one guy calls that you hate it.

If we shove there is a good chance that other A2 will fold in which case we have to share the low if it hits. I like shove to get other NLDs out. For example if one opponent holds TT and another has A2

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board: 5T8

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Jc2d3cAc	41.10%	147,282	147,703	1,751	1,574,391	19,845
TT	58.90%	521,591	2,003,046	1,751	6,804	19,845

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board: 5T8

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Jc2d3cAc	24.60%	17,219	23,958	10,257	88,352	337,374
TT	54.24%	145,951	502,955	1,189	871	3,011
A2	21.16%	14,646	61,922	10,947	5,099	336,524

the first scenario seems better?

I think I would shove the flop hoping the weaker high hands fold and put pressure on other LD. You also potted it pre so opponents might be fearing AA and pot might get them off their draws. Also have good chance to scoop this pot especially against other LD with you counter fit nut lows , 2 overcards, and running straight possibilities.

This must be a new definition of "whiff" I haven't seen before. I'm probably pot/cai even if $40 behind here, some of the others seeing the flop really will have whiffed it. The last thing you want is to make a weak move and having multiple players come along, and you get 1/4'd by a crappy middle pair or something that would have folded to your pot bet.

I probably call this hand PF from the SB and 3-bet it from the Btn. Is 3-betting here more "standard"?

^ I tend to 3bet OOP and call in position - let's use the positional advantage when we have it, and minimise the positional disadvantage when we don't. (Lower SPR = less chance to use position to force the opponent to make a bad play, since preflop hand equities are close in PLO8, committing preflop is never really bad).

If playing deep stack (150BB+) I'd call in the blinds more often than 3betting , just because you DON'T want to see a flop like this where it's kinda a bit deep to commit with just a NLD-with-backup.

"Whiff" means "miss."

The term comes from the sound of swinging a bat through the air at a ball in baseball or softball and missing. ("whiff" as the bat rapidly displaces some air and then immediately "splot" or "poof" as the ball goes into the catcher's mitt).

By using the term "whiff", OP (lemmyisgod) implies he missed a fit with the flop (like a swing and a miss in baseball). He thus evidently counts a low draw with counterfeit protection as a miss. (That's how I read his use of the term "whiff").

Buzz

Lol.

(it's funny cuz it's sincere)

Awesome post, Buzz.

OP, the flop is not a total whiff. Go ahead and get it in. If you whiff on the turn and river, reload and try again.

aaaaaarright....maybe 'whiff' was a bit of an overstatement now that I look at it again on paper. I'm trying to find my way less mucho in one-way hands

But Varenus calls it 'not much of a hand'; again, I'm learning here, stronger (pre) would be: dbl suited? AA23? AKQ2?

Kittens - I did feel the stack sizes had me in a little bit of a vise of my own making.

New question: as villian, what hand requirements would you need to push post-flop? NLD+ TP? NLD+FD? NLD+OESD? NLD+2 overs?

much more than just the above. actually, with such low SPR, almost any A2 hand is shovable. you should also shove many hands that don't have A2 in them - good AA** and A3** hands...