Limit O8 is the ultimate recreational game. It's really sad recs online rarely even try it, hence they never realize it's awesome. Stars should do something about this.

This piqued my interest: are there any solely o8 SNEs? I kinda doubt it...

ok thanks talonchick

Can you pls get stars to lower the obscene rake otherwise I don't see the trend changing.

Even many players that enjoy playing o8 just don't play cash because of this, thus leaving little hope in attracting new players.

this surely has to be the number one priority.

1) As stated, I can't really discuss specifics of our internal rake numbers at the moment, but we do look into rake levels quite frequently and adjust the rake structure as a result less frequently, and I can assure you this happens for every game type.

2) We're going to remove the requirement that the table be full and have a wait list, but I don't have a timeline for when this will be developed yet.

Similar Question: It's explicitly allowed to sit out and wait for a third player. Our 6max and Full Ring tables are primarily spread for 3+ handed play, and we don't feel you should be forced to play Heads Up at those tables if you don't wish to do so. However, if a player is sitting out and waiting for a third player, the onus is on them to pay attention to the table and immediately sit in when a third player joins.

From my experience talking to players, I think most players think their respective game is the most recreational-friendly game.

However, I think the situation is slightly more complicated than this as different players are entertained by different aspects of the game. In addition, poker players play different forms of poker during different times of their poker career.

As an example, a player may start their poker career playing NLHE because it's easy to learn and they see it on TV, but then switch to PLO or PLO/8 if they like Big Bet poker but also like that they can splash around a bit more and make big hands more frequently.

Any comments on this Nick?

Let me look into this and discuss internally. I'll post here once I have a final decision.

why did you get rid of deepstacked tables above $1/2? Pre-Black Friday you had deepstacked plo8 at all stakes. I liked this.

Why do you not have HU plo8 tables? The bumhunters on Stars make this a huge issue.

Why do you not have anything above $10/20 for plo8?

Note: I haven't played on Stars since May, so apologies if any of my questions are no longer applicable.

There are at least couple of players who reach SNE playing mainly o8. I think player who plays only low and mid-stakes o8 and is SNE deserves to be on Team Online.

GL ray

miami is ray9187...?

ok now i see why he opposes a minimum buyin increase.

on topic:

minimum buyin at nlo8 should definetly be increased to 40 or 50bb

no, but they can add deep or maybe even 100bb deep tables with ante if they are really needed.
no cap and no buyin increase.
most volume is from shortstackers. without them there is no action.

The omaha community would probably be better off closing the thread and refusing to let pokerstars reps post in omaha forums until they address rake in a serious manner. As I recall, last time the issue came up Pokerstars was unwilling to discuss using 'BB/100' as a method of measuring rake.

Everything else is mostly a sideshow, and it's not worth giving Pokerstars the chance to spin this into some flimsy PR move like they always do.

Good point. I agree.

Can you give an example on what you would consider a fair rake? Are some limits raked more fairly than others in your eyes?

Was it an improvement (even in the slightest) when the VPP allotment became weighted-contributed?

I earn between 250k - 300k VPPs/year since being on Team Online, prior to that 150k to 225k playing primarily LO8.

I certainly understand that people like watching the biggest game and when the 1k/2k games were going, I watched them also. In terms of the games I play, I consistently play $30/$60 and $75/$150 when the games run.

The SNEs that I know that play LO8 play many other games to achieve the SNE, not sure that there is a low stakes LO8 SNE??

I could never reveal my notes!

Will keep that in mind while at PCA, am not sure what coverage they have for mixed games during PCA. The 1k tourneys seem to only gotten 25 - 60 registrants in the last couple years, not sure what the PLO got.

I was talking about NLO8 and PLO8. Somebody who reaches SNE by just playing low stakes is in my opinion big motivator to other players. Anybody who has big bankroll and plays high stakes can reach SNE if they have motivation. O8 needs somebody like frosty and some huge name like Hansen, Blom to advertise this game.

I am sure CallawayStar plays almost exclusively LO8, and he is SNE. Tanya1604 is SNE too, but he plays other fixed limit games quite frequently.

Not sure what u mean with the 2nd question?


Hello, currently i have been grinding 0.01c - 0.02c Zoom fast No omaha hi lo.

In the 12213 hands i have played i have contributed 23.43$
This means for every 100 hands, their is a total off 0.19$ rake(or 10bb/100hands).
(for each person that plays, not for each pot!)

I would suggest if their is a split(between the high and the low) u take only 1/4th of the total rake.

I (and the other regulars) would love to see our favorite game No Limit Double Holdem come to PS.

Unfortunately bwin.party network removed this game since the social update.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=50
(Well yes with these stats who wouldn't want to get back into this game.)

www.tablebrain.com is where the game is from, assimilate into PS this must.

Just a dream that will probably never happen, but you never know.

err these no way tanya1604 is sne

he binked the wcoop flo8 event so started playing pretty high stake high o8/stud cash games since then from what I have seen.

you need to play 10 months of this stuff to make sne

Are u sure Tanya1604 is a he sounds like a she?

Is Stars willing to host LO8 showmatches?

I mean, consider a 5k hand match between Talonchick and BiatchPeople, I'd pay top dollar (in rake) to witness that.

heads up tables, and not just for 25c/50c and higher..for every stake would be nice

It would be a fair rake if all sites, not just stars, halved the rake taken from all split pots when only two people go to showdown in split pot games.