I strongly prefer plo8 to nlo8 and wish stars would focus more on plo8 for their COOP mtts.

Thoughts?

i hate all forms of nl omaha and o/8, and i'm not convinced there is a great demand for either

i think some rakeback pros prefer it because bad players are so easily exploited in that format but i think the format is dreadful - pot limit is a wonderful game that appeals to broad groups of players while no limit versions reward nitty and unimaginative play

OP, we have many threads that either focus on, or devolve into, the debate between those who prefer PLO8 and those who prefer NLO8. I don't think there's anything new to be said to have yet another thread about it.

Apologies, I'm only getting back into 2p2 forum now. That, and this post was prompted by frustration of how much nlo8 has dominated plo8 in coop events recently.

All COOPs should have a 9-max and 6-max PLO8 event, imo, before even considering nlo8 events.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...-nlo8-1328095/

There have been other discussions about the merits of one versus the other. Hard for me to find such discussions for you. (The search function for these forums really sucks... just my opinion).

Interesting perspective. We miss your insight, Quant, if that's any satisfaction for you. (Well... I miss you anyhow).

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All we can do as mods is continue to ban you when we discover it's you.

We don't have direct access to some controls some administrators have. But I don't think they have any way to stop you without making more of a mess than it's worth to them.

OK, I'll ban you now, as per your request. I don't expect it's the last we'll see of you.

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and if you are... find a new one

Do we need to pay you guys extra for your psychiatric advice?

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River play in NLO8 is so beautiful. Can you imagine how complex gto river strategy actually is? Both are interesting games with surprisingly different strategies

+1

Avoiding CAP tables and losing 20bb tables has reminded me what a great game PL08 can be; and if it could be promoted properly there is no game that has nearly the same potential as NL08 mtts to bring new players into poker.

this x10000

In an ideal world... I don't notice too much river play going on in nlo8 atm, hence my irritation by it from time to time. People are open ripping 30x pre vs min-raises (or 3x raises) with any AK2-4.

It's as if, in nlh, people just open rip QKo for 30bbs vs your entire opening 15% range. It's not a terrible play, nor is it much of a winning one, and opt to never play turns/rivers. Perhaps not a perfect analogy but it feels something along those lines, particularly deep in mtts with avg stacks of ~30bbs.

There are actually people who just wait for a playable hand and then open shove for 100BBs,paticularly in the Zoom tables,so prolly NL08 has much more gamble and luck to it.

i mean this is what's kind of annoying, people'll wait for something that's currently winning for high, be that aces pre, top set on the flop etc and just gii, nlo8 kills most of the complexity of the game. wouldn't be averse to a game which is PL pre/flop and NL turn/river myself, but i guess stars is just catering for people who want to go all-in whenever possible

What do you guys think about the bolded part?

I don't agree.
But as an answer to the question of people shoving 100BBs in zoom I find they almost always have AAxx when they do this which always has good equity against hands that call off, but usually doesn't flop well unless you have AA23 or something like that. Bad players can call off with some silly hands too of course. This seems the logical reasononing why this play is prevalent.

Which river play?

100bb deep cash plays a lot of rivers. I don't play small stakes tournies so can't really comment. weekly 215 has some elements, particularly when icm is in play.

It's not fair to use this analogy when every variant of poker plays differently. The equities in PLO runs fairly close when you take two 15% hands and the equities are even closer for O8. If you start open shoving KQo and get called by top 5%, you're a 70/30 dog. In O8, if you open shove AK26r (a 16% hand) and get called by 5%, you're a 57/43 dog.

The two games play waaay differently and if players are playing too nitty, shoving 30 BBs there can be the right play (not saying it is).

I don't see what the issue here is. If you don't want to gamble, fold when they shove. If they shove too often, fold less (and call more)? In a perfect world, it'll reach an equilibrium where they are shoving the optimal % and you are calling the optimal %. If either one of you plays sub-optimally, someone will make or lose $$.

+1

If you like pl start pl tables, if you like nl start nl tables.