I'm quite new to PLO8 guys so go easy on me

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 5 players
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BTN: $39.49
SB: $30.46
BB: $23.56
UTG: $88.56
Hero (CO): $26.70

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 2 3 A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) T 6 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($7.00) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.25, BTN calls $4.25, SB folds

River: ($15.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.13, Hero ?????


SB was a 61/18 fish whilst the BTN was playing 28/14 with an aggression factor of 1.1 after ~200 hands.

Is my line ok prior to the river? On the river after the low missed my plan was to check-call to allow villain to bluff his missed low-draws and maybe bet lower made-flushes.

line seems fine. I'd also check call the river, villain dependant i check raise it

I would call (rather than raise... fold is out of the question).

Looks fine to me.

OK.

Buzz

As played c/c on the river 75%. However ott with 2 pr plus huge combo draw I would seriously consider going c/max raise. Any smart player is folding the lone nut flush draw to a massive bet. You stand to hit your hand one way or another assuming your hand just holds it current value. I don't like c/ring that much but when oop with a big hand/draw........well why not. easy to rep a set of kings plus flush and low draws reducing nut flush value with one card to come......... That's the trouble with oop, you lose more and win less. I would have hoped to get a check raise in though. Problem being you either want a tiny pot ott or a HUGE pot ott, no middle ground here as I see it. But wtf, I am usually wrong anyway.

Yeah I like check-calling there. If he bets smaller then I consider x-raising more.

"repping a set of kings" on the turn is just absurd lol. You have top and bottom (+nut low draw+3nd NFD), it's just ridiculous/bad to try and turn your hand into a bluff on the turn when it is that strong. KT or anything better just never folds with that SPR after they bet.
Trying to get a bare A high flush draw to fold I don't think is a good plan either, and it's unlikely that an A high FD is indeed bare, as it likely has some low draw or straight draw too.
You should be relatively happy just getting it in on the turn, if your plan is to just check-pot. (Which is a fair plan on that turn) At these stakes I don't think that a nut low draw bet-folds the turn there. Which is good for us here.

bet/cal river.
check raise river only vs very aggressive opponents who will value bet Aq there and bluffs lot.

Bet bigger on turn imo.

Dont like checking the river because villan is going to check behind everything with showdown value. Thats alot of hands villan might hero call with..

Yup.

As played, obv call.

Raise pre
Bet flop
Bet turn
Bet river


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line is really good imo.. like the bet sizing a lot actually maybe a little BB or two more would be nice

check call river is best imo

against passive players I would bet/eval more

so no check call for you huh?


hmm.. what do you put at the top of villains calling range vs our 3 barrel here that checks behind??

Does he check behind Qxdd after we double barreled and checked river?

What does he do with his busted lows and busted straights here?

When I lead $11 here and he shoves do we make mistakes folding??

Look ... i'm not the best "valuetown bus driver" around lol but I'd be betting here knowing that i am only getting raised by the nuts and thus folding and bet folding here is so gross imo

Lol no. And even lower flushes should be betting there. OMB even speculated that a rivered straight bets here, which is probably reasonable in an aggressive game.

In general the 2nd nut is way too strong to check call with to intro a bluff. I like the concept of intro bluffs but not with this hand. Baby flushes/straights/even 2p etc is much better for that imo.

Villian is obv not going to check back any flush if we check. Villian is going to pay of with all flushes and plenty of other hands if we bet. Alot of hands villian is paying of with is checking behind if we check.

Yes u might only get raised by a hand that beats you but that cant stop you from betting this spot..

Yeah, you have to vb here. Also, 'always' bet/folding is obv super exploitable. Vs certain villains, sure, but against any competent player you should be bet/calling a good % of the time imo.

my friend I am not checking because i am scared of getting raised... I asked you about his calling range and check back vs our 3 barrel .. you missed it but I will ask this...

if like you say he bets all flushes... what type of hands do we miss value from here that he checks back?


i mentioned specific villain.. and idk what stakes you play but at lower (most?) stakes 'bluff raising' vs 3 barrel line is close to non-existent in those player pools.. and to those guys (as OMB mentioned) you should be checking here anyways... and BTN bluffing raising in this spot would imo be suicidal as we are getting ~5:1 to call

idk if that makes sense

3/4 pot flop.
Pot Turn
Imo its better to value bet river yourself.Unless youre playing vs the 4-5 good regs that are on Stars,noone else will bluff with the dry Ace so you can comfortably fold if raised.

On the other hand,you gonna get called by tons of stuff(especially since the low missed) so a river bet is printing money long term.

As played,never folding unless villain is the nittiest nit alive.

I think that's OK too. (I don't see a big difference between betting $1.50 and betting $1.87 here... but maybe I'm missing something).

OK, but why are these two opponents still in the pot? (A distinct possibility is at least one of them is drawing for low with ace-deuce-X-Y). Thus there is a distinct danger of getting quartered for low.

I don't think the danger of getting quartered in fixed-limit is much of a consideration (goes with the territory). But in pot-limit or no-limit, I think you have to be wary of getting quartered with a bare nut low draw.

Hero has more outs for low than for the full house and the flush. Thus it's more likely Hero will make the nut low than a full house or a flush. (However the two pairs, kings over threes, could hold up).

I think so too, but I also like Hero's strategy of inducing a river bet from certain over-aggressive opponents. Thus I find no fault in the way Hero played the river.

Just my opinion.

Buzz