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Old 05-25-2012, 05:25 AM   #1
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Diamond plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

Villain: 30/13 af:2.4 3b: 4.3

I'm new to plo8 and I assume everything till the turn is standard. My question is: should i shove the turn even though I got counterfeited and a wheel is possible but I have 2/3 of my stack in the pot or check behind and call the river or maybe fold?

BB: $47.29
Hero (UTG): $31.58
MP: $56.37
CO: $11.80
BTN: $25.74
SB: $21.68

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 5 3 J A
Hero raises to $0.75, 4 folds, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80) J 5 2 (2 players)
BB bets $4.58, Hero raises to $18.32, BB calls $13.74

Turn: ($41.44) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($41.44) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $26.62 all in, Hero?
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:29 AM   #2
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Re: plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

defo bet the turn and as pld still call.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:43 AM   #3
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Re: plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

sucks but put the rest in and hope he doesnt have A4
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:46 PM   #4
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Re: plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

You don't fold but you do your best to try to get him to bluff. This could either be checking behind the turn, or making a bet that is sized for bet/folding (difficult with these stack sizes). So, WP assuming you called.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:16 AM   #5
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Re: plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

Yeah, I called and he had AK45. I'm glad that it's a call on the river. Btw what do you think about villains play? Isn't shoving the flop or folding better?
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:15 AM   #6
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I think he's slightly better to not shove the flop, as he might sometimes bluff you off half the pot on a later street.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:06 AM   #7
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Yeah, I called and he had AK45. I'm glad that it's a call on the river. Btw what do you think about villains play? Isn't shoving the flop or folding better?
I would just shove the turn we have a decent hand and most of our stack in the pot so nothing else to do.

Villain overplayed his hand in my mind, he should fold flop after you raise.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:04 AM   #8
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I would just shove the turn we have a decent hand and most of our stack in the pot so nothing else to do.
Don't you think that when we shove ott we are called only by hands that have us beat and by checking we give him a chance to bluff the river?
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:50 AM   #9
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Don't you think that when we shove ott we are called only by hands that have us beat and by checking we give him a chance to bluff the river?
he has to call 10$ to win 60$ pot so I doubt he is calling only with hands that beat ( I actually don't mind him folding all that much) us and on the most rivers we split against most of his bluffs
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:17 AM   #10
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Re: plo8 25 noob got counterfeited in 3bet pot

Good point. I have not thought of that.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:20 AM   #11
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I would just shove the turn we have a decent hand and most of our stack in the pot so nothing else to do.

Villain overplayed his hand in my mind, he should fold flop after you raise.
+1

2nd nld and weak high = fold to raise on flop in plo8
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:41 AM   #12
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I think he's slightly better to not shove the flop, as he might sometimes bluff you off half the pot on a later street.
I think if you are peeling the flop with his hand, you have a huge leak.
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:14 PM   #13
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I think if you are peeling the flop with his hand, you have a huge leak.
why? (to clarify, we're talking about BB's decision to either call $13.74, or reraise an additional $9.91 effective).
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:28 PM   #14
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why? (to clarify, we're talking about BB's decision to either call $13.74, or reraise an additional $9.91 effective).
because poster asked about it
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:18 AM   #15
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why? (to clarify, we're talking about BB's decision to either call $13.74, or reraise an additional $9.91 effective).
That $13.74 is 55 big blinds sir. To go all in is like 95. I'm half asleep, but I think that's right.
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