Please read this before posting and FAQ. INCLUDES HOW TO READ THE LOW HAND - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

**Buzz** · 07-10-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Please Read This (FAQ)
Omaha/8 FAQ and Guidelines

Please PM a forum moderator with suggestions of your own that you would like to see implemented in this FAQ.

1) How do you read the low in Omaha-8?
In any high/low game where eight or better is the qualifier, you must have a five-card hand with all five ranks eight or below. For example, if you are playing O8, and you hold A23K in your hand, the board still has to show three cards eight or below for your low to qualifiy (in Omaha-8 you MUST use exactly three board cards and two of your cards). If the board only shows two cards below eight (84QKT) it does not matter that you have three low cards in your hand, you still have NO low.

An easy way for reading your low is to change "ace" to "1" and read from the top rank down, instead of the bottom rank up. Thus if you hold A26K, and the board is 457JQ, choosing two cards from your hand and three cards from the board, your low is 7542A, which is read as 75,421. (This is applicable in any low game, not just O8).

Suits do not matter for low in Omaha-8. You can have a flush or straight for high and still count the hand as a low.
The best possible low hand in Omaha-8 is a wheel, 5432A or 54321. It does not matter for low that a wheel is also a straight. It does not matter for low if the five cards are all of the same suit. (In that case you'd have a straight flush for high and a wheel for low).

An example may make it clearer:
Which is the better low,
A

,2

,3

,4

,7

,
A

,2

,3

,4

, or
2

,3

,4

,5

,6

?
Answer: Arrange the cards in each hand from high-card down to low-card.
• In other words, write the numbers in the reverse order from the way you have them arranged above.
• In other words, count backwards from the way the hands are shown above (and write "1" in place of "ace").
• In other words, write
"74321",
"4432A", and
"65432."
Which is the best low?
"4432A" does not qualify for low because there are not five different low ranks.
Of the two hands that do qualify for low, which reads as the smaller number?
(65432 reads as a smaller number and thus is a better low than 74321).
Suits or straights don't matter for low.

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5) Omaha8 Hand and Discussion Post Policy - PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

Very simple guidelines for the benefit of everyone.

a) Please be polite and courteous to other posters in open posts on this forum, even in the monthly low content thread.

b) Please make a separate thread for each hand history, unless you post your hand history in the monthly miscellaneous thread (also known as the monthly catch all or low content thread).
If you want a hand history discussed, please start a separate thread about it. If you have a hand history you want to brag about, or if it's a bad beat you want to post, or if it's a hand of interest that doesn't need much of a response, then post it in the monthly miscellaneous thread.

c) Please indicate the betting structure (i.e. fixed-limit, pot-limit, no-limit) either by including it in the thread title or by including the appropriate symbol as a header. Note we are labeling hand history posts for
• fixed-limit (also called limit) as

• pot-limit as

• no-limit as

d) Please indicate the stakes (blind amounts are fine) in the thread title.

e) Either use a hand converter (see #7 below for directions how to get to a free hand converter), put the hand in a narrative format, or, if you use a raw hand history, please use suit icons to make it more readable.

f) If possible, include some kind of player reads. Even if it's just "This is my second hand at the table and I have no reads." Or, "Villain has been playing loose preflop but hasn't really gotten out of line postflop." Something.

g) Please post discussions directly into posts on this forum rather than providing URLs (links) to off-site locations.

h) Please post hands and hand histories directly into posts of this forum rather than providing URLs (links) to other sites.

i) Please provide the stack sizes of the players involved in the hand. This is especially important for no-limit and pot-limit hands.

j) Please put the results in the spoiler, so that anyone commenting on the play of the hand does not necessarily already know the outcome.

6) This forum is for discussion of Omaha-8 poker. Included are Fixed-Limit Omaha/8, Pot-Limit Omaha/8, No-Limit Omaha/8 and Omaha/8 tournaments. If you are unsure if your post belongs in this forum, go ahead and post. A moderator will move it to another forum if it belongs somewhere else.

7) If you post a hand from an on-line site, please use a hand converter. To access the free hand converter provided by DeucesCracked, click on the following link
http://www.thehandconverter.com/

(credit to DeathDonkey for the free DeucesCracked converter)

If the DeucesCracked converter doesn't work for you, maybe this one will:
Hand Converter
This one seems to be for Omaha-high-only, not Omaha-8. (Works fine if there's no low). You probably have to do some patching when low is involved.

8) Why are fixed-limit Omaha/8 and pot-limit Omaha/8 in the same forum?0
In the old days of 2+2 there were NO Omaha forums of any kind. We posted Omaha questions and hands in the "other poker" forum. Finally we got an Omaha forum, and then the Omaha forum split into two forums, Omaha-High and Omaha-high/low (Omaha-8).

Currently there are not enough Omaha-8 posts to warrant separating fixed-limit, pot-limit, and no-limit Omaha/8. And there is much overlap in poster interest. If your post is specific for one type of betting structure, please label your thread as
• fixed-limit, use

• pot-limit, use

• no-limit, use

If your post is
• generic (applying to more than one or any of the three above), please don't use any of the suit symbols listed above.

9) Book suggestions?
Mason Malmuth would rather us not use book suggestions in the FAQ.

For suggestions about Omaha/8 books, please do a search of 2+2 first, try Books/Publications second, and do a search of the archives third.

10) There is a "book containment thread"
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44.../#post17536315
for book discussions.

11) Is there a point count system for Omaha-8 starting hands? Yes. Several. The best known is Hutchinson's Point Count System for O8.
http://www.erhutchison.com/OmahaSystem.html

12) What about short stacking?
There has been some discussion on this forum regarding short stack strategy. You could find that by typing "short stack" (without the quotation marks) into the advanced search box, and then specifying this forum. You'll get a list of posts or threads (whichever you specify) where the topic is at least mentioned.

13) What are bankroll requirements for playing Omaha-8?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...light=bankroll

14) Are there web sources where simulations may be run and odds calculated?
http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...tionEditor.jsp
http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=o&b=&d=...%0A3s+5s+6h+9h
(and click on the down arrow to get to Omaha-8).

15) Is there a web site where Omaha-8 probability data is computed and tabulated?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Omaha)
http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...Percentile.jsp
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/o8ordering.txt

16) Can you tell me a little about how probability as related to Omaha-8 is calculated? And where can I find a live brick and mortar casino pot-limit-Omaha-8 game?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...95#post5042295

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Try the internal search functions and if that fails, try using Google. Many 2+2 topics are referenced in Google.

18) Where can I find notifications about tournaments?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44.../#post12871611

19) Where can I find the percentile ranking of any Omaha-8 starting hand?
http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...=AsAhKd9c&g=o8

20) Where can I find an ordered listing ranking all 16432 distinctly different Omaha-8 starting hands (best to worst)?
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/o8ordering.txt

21) How can I get coaching or private tutoring for Omaha-8?
Coaching requests and coaching offers belong in the coaching forum. Period.
Please use the coaching forum or contact individuals privately if you want coaching or private tutoring or if you want to offer coaching.

22) How do I post pictures?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...ctures-285800/

23) Do you have any information about "hold 'em manager"?
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/

24) What are the suit symbols in the left hand margin of the threads listing for this forum?
• We're using suit symbols to identify fixed-limit, pot-limit, and no-limit threads.

for fixed-limit,

for pot-limit, and

for no-limit.

25) Some frequently used acronyms are as follows:
AF = (aggression factor). AF=(#raises+#bets)/#calls.
AI = (all-in)
BB = (big blind or big bet depending on context)
b/c=bet call
b/f = bet fold
BTN or But = (button)
c/b = check behind
c/c = check call
c/f = check fold
c/r = check raise
CO = (cut-off position, one in front of button)
EP = (early position)
EV = (expected value)
FAQ = (frequently asked questions)
FPS = (fancy play syndrome)
FR = (full ring)
FTW = (for the win)
FYP = (fixed your post)
GOL = (giggling out loud)
GTO = (game theory optimal)
HH = (hand history)
HJ = (high jack position, two in front of button)
HPL = (half pot limit)
HU = (heads-up)
IDNHAC = (I do not have a clue, used in response to unknown acronyms.)
ITT = (in this thread)
k/c = checK/Call
LJ = (low jack position, three in front of button)
LO8 = (limit Omaha Eight or better)
LOL = (laughing out loud)
LP = (late position)
MP = (middle position)
NIT = (Non-Imaginative-Tight)
NLO8 = (no-limit Omaha Eight or better)
O8 = (fixed-limit Omaha Eight or better)
PAHWM = (Play A Hand With Me)
PLO8 = (pot-limit Omaha Eight or better)
POV = (Point of View)
PTR = (poker table ratings)
QFT = (quoted for truth)
SB = (small blind or small bet, depending on context)
SOP = Standard Operating Procedure
SPR = stack to pot ratio
UTG = (under the gun)
WTF = (what the f***)
W@SD = (won at show down)
WTSD = (went to show down)
$100 game, $200 game, etc (usually a pot-limit game where the dollar amount is the maximum buy-in for that game)

Abbreviations and definitions: Urban dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=A

Try googling "poker dictionary" if you don't know a term or acronym. You'll get at least a dozen different listings.

2+2 list of abbreviations:
http://www.twoplustwo.com/acronyms.php