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Old 09-22-2011, 11:56 AM   #16
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Re: OMAHA8 sng strategy

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yeah man I would appreciate that, you / everyone can just pm me the hands if you want.
Seriously? Solid effort sir. There's a couple I will PM you then.
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Old 09-22-2011, 11:59 AM   #17
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Re: OMAHA8 sng strategy

Well I think that pming the hands would work better then posting them, incase someone doesn't want their name attached to their hands since most of you play alot of these?

But yeah why not.

I should make a better effort to distinguish between 9 and 18 mans... but really you're just playing the middle stage a bit longer. *** I promise to convert the hands next time, but I wrote this during the wcoop and just wanted to post it. ****
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Old 09-22-2011, 01:20 PM   #18
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Re: OMAHA8 sng strategy

Some of you reg's should better scope the people already registered. There are STT with 7 or 8 winning players running...
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Old 09-22-2011, 01:45 PM   #19
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the 15 and 30's have fish. omnomnom
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Old 09-22-2011, 01:58 PM   #20
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Re: OMAHA8 sng strategy

These hands are from a friend:

Hand 1

I don't really have a problem with early or late stage play really, more situations like this i.e Middle stages, similar stack sizes, middle position and larger stacks to act behind and this sort of hand:

Poker Stars $3.16+$0.34 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 8 players
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Hero (MP2): t3588 23.92 BBs
CO: t1388 9.25 BBs
BTN: t3474 23.16 BBs
SB: t5718 38.12 BBs
BB: t1169 7.79 BBs
UTG: t3445 22.97 BBs
UTG+1: t2920 19.47 BBs
MP1: t3188 21.25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is MP2 with Ad 2s Qh Th
3 folds, [color=red]Hero raises to t350

This seemed like just about the bottom of my range of what I would open here based on stack sizes behind. I seemed too deep to open shove. I therefore chose to open an amount that left me the ability to fold to a 3 bet shove should I have to or call a 3 bet standard raise (rare). Open folding seemed too nitty? Thoughts.



Open folding is indeed too nitty. If you're object in the game is to have as high of a winrate as possible you need to be taking these edges, were only 23 bb's effective (if the big stacks come along) and around ten bbs deep vs the other players. This hand is one of our nuttier hands that we can have and we should be playing it for value.

That being said I like your raise size as it will allow us to play post flop. Unless someone that has us covered is playing like 10/8 or something unusally nitty to the point where we can pinpoint his hand, and hes not squeezing, then we should be getting it in pre if we can.

If you look at pro poker tools you can see that were ahead of all other a2 combos, (not by much) and were only a 42% vs 58% dog to aa combos. When were playing this shallow we should really be pushing hands like this for value.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:11 PM   #21
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Hand 2

This second one seemd a lot easier. I tend not to get into limping marginal hands like this from EP. Even at a relatively weak passive table these seemed a standard fold.

Poker Stars $2.56+$0.64+$0.30 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
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CO: t865 5.77 BBs
BTN: t309 2.06 BBs
SB: t1102 7.35 BBs
BB: t5304 35.36 BBs
Hero (UTG): t3040 20.27 BBs
UTG+1: t825 5.50 BBs
MP: t2055 13.70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is UTG with Ah 5h 4h Ts

This is like the top end of what you should be folding UTG. (limping is for the most part terrible and I would never advise you do that) Were seven handed here and I hardly think It will ever get around to us without our bet alteast being called if not shipped on, and when we are called were going to have a tough time playing the hand.

When we do hit gin it will be fairly transparent and It will be hard to get value, as opposed to like ak45 where we can hit the ace or king and still have top pair top kicker. I really do think it makes a big difference. If you simulate ak45 vs a2** its 50/50 and at45 vs a2** is 46/54 against us. Now that isn't too much of a difference, but the major factor here is going to be playing the hand post flop.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:22 PM   #22
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Hand 3

This one seemed trickier. This felt like I should open it, but it felt pretty light. I don't mind flipping wars with shortstacks and I would open and call a raise from anyone but the SB here had I opened. I folded.

Poker Stars $2.56+$0.64+$0.30 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
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BB: t1090 7.27 BBs
UTG: t1205 8.03 BBs
UTG+1: t2993 19.95 BBs
MP: t2442 16.28 BBs
Hero (CO): t3.50 BBs
040 20.27 BBs
BTN: t825 5SB: t1905 12.70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is CO with 4s Ah 7h 9c
5 folds, SB calls t75, BB checks

This hand is more of an issue of gameflow and longevity, if you use a hud you will be better able to make a decision. How nitty is the sb? The perfect answer would come with the help of stats to make a really informed decision, but I'm not sure folding here is a leak. You have a stack that allows you to play post flop, and you might not want to risk it with a hand thats loosing or flipping vs any random ace. We would also not want to put ourselves in having to call off vs the sb, as we would be behind or dominated most of the time.

I think folding is fine. I would be more apt to open if the nine were a Queen or king. as we would have high value post flop and couple possibly play post vs the small blind.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:26 PM   #23
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Hand 4

I was between a limp and an open shove. Not sure I like either that much and folding seemed credible too.

Poker Stars $6.45+$0.55 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 7 players
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MP: t3055 30.55 BBs
CO: t2045 20.45 BBs
BTN: t1300 13 BBs
SB: t1430 14.30 BBs
BB: t3105 31.05 BBs
Hero (UTG): t1195 11.95 BBs
UTG+1: t2870 28.70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with 2d 8d 5h Ac
Hero raises to t1195 all in


I would never limp or fold here, open shoving this hand isn't that bad as were below starting and were UTG. If we were in MP to late position then I would be more prone to open to 240 or shove over someone elses open, for value. The problem with a standard open is that we have a couple more people left to act nad its going to be really hard for us to play post flop. If we had close to starting stack then a standard open would be the correct line, with the intention of calling off vs any 3b or shove.

When we dont have the option to really play post flop I like the idea of open shipping here, the blinds are only rising.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:52 PM   #24
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Re: OMAHA8 sng strategy

You still monitoring this thread trelskig? I just started playing low stakes omaha8 sngs on carbon to break up the monotony of NLHE and found this . . .
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