Juicy full ring live 20-40, pots go 5-7 way normally with one guy playing at a 100% vpip

I have aa9tsss utg1

I limp??
Loose maniac raises
Looser maniac 3bets
100% vpiper calls
I ??

Both call and cap fine imo (it'll probably get capped anyway). AAT9 with a suit plays really well multi-way, much better than it does HU. Then you can pretty much play fit or fold on the flop.

I'm not sure I agree with much of this, respectfully. What constitutes a "fit" with this hand, and how often do you think that happens? I feel that the plan of cap and check/fold most flops is a costly one.

I'm not sure what "sss" means...you mean you have three spades?
In a tight game, I would almost always raise first in. But in the game as described, where a multiway pot is guaranteed, I think limping is fine.
Just calling the 3 bet or capping doesn't really matter as you preflop edge is going to be very very small.

But playing "fit or fold" postflop in this spot seems wrong to me. The pot is enormous preflop; whether it goes 3 or 4 bets, you need to be willing to be pretty strongly showdown bound if you actually want to realize the equity that makes this a playable hand in the first place.

I would just call in this spot for deception after you initially limped, as capping here just exposes our hand face up. We have a very good high only hand, but we will be playing OOP post flop. There's no need to inflate the pot pre, as we will most likely be dumping this hand in multiway pots on most flop textures that contain a low/where we don't flop well.

How do these guys play after the flop? Do they still ram and jam when it's 5 or 6 players? Do they know when to slow down? Or, do they only do this stuff before the flop as a means to muscle everyone into folding? Lots of variables here. Your hand is worth playing. I would call and take it from there.

Admittedly though, this isn't the type of hand where I'm getting all fuzzy inside.

Pots routinely get 5 to 7 callers and this one has 4? Seems like the worst possible number of callers for that hand. I'm thinking the choice is folding and waiting for better options or raising. Unlikely an ace hits on the flop, you have to assume at least maniac 3better has an ace. However if I get a nut flush draw or any 2 with low draw, I probably bet. Heck 2, 7, 8 isn't a terrible board either for that hand. Very few flops fit that hand, I probably fold.

Loose pre-flop does not necessarily mean loose post-flop. "vpip" is just a pre-flop statistic. Players who are loose in some situations will also tend to be loose in other situations is generally a good approximation for most poker games... But that's often not true in Omaha-8.

No chance at low... not good.

That would be OK if they don't go nuts behind you preflop but then tighten up post flop. However, with "loose maniac" and "looser maniac" behind you, the first part of that doesn't seem likely. That is, if you limp I think they may tend to go nuts behind you.

And indeed, they went nuts behind you.

Is the game three-raise limit (like Los Angeles) or four-raise limit (like Las Vegas)?

Will the game become tighter post-flop?

The main feature of your hand is the suited ace. A secondary feature is the pair of aces. A detraction is the extra suited card in your starting hand. An even bigger detraction is the lack of any low draw.

In tightish games the AA combo often wins for high by making a winning two pairs when the board pairs and your opponent(s) lack a card the same rank as the board pair. But this does not seem a tightish game. In this game, I think I'd generally play the AA combo from late position as a draw, hoping to make aces full. Playing it that way, I'd expect to see an ace on the flop approximately one time in eight. And I'd expect to see two or three cards in my suit approximately two times in nineteen.

And I'd expect to see a flop with either an ace or two or three cards in my suit approximately one time in five (from P=0.2171). And for either one of those, I think you'll mostly be looking at a two or three low card flop (meaning you'll probably be playing for half the pot).

That's all fine if you can see the flop cheaply, then play "fit or fold," and if your opponents will continue to chase with trash.

But with "loose maniac" and "looser maniac" behind you, I don't think you can see the flop cheaply. And loose pre-flop does not necessarily mean loose post-flop.

So this does not look like a good opportunity to see the flop cheaply and then play fit or fold.

All in all, I think you should probably fold on your first turn to act.

I think you should not have limped to begin with, I don't know if we can expect another raise (ala Las Vegas) or not (ala Los Angeles). I don't know how these opponents play post-flop. Very hard to advise you now.

However, you can't let these fruitcakes squeeze you out of the pot once you've limped (else you can never limp without expecting to get raised).

Just my opinion. I haven't read the other responses. (I'll read them now).

Buzz

feels nitty as ****, but i totally agree.

Most important is how villains play postflop. Are villains loose maniacs preflop only or also postflop? Do they have any exploitable postflop tendencies?

Generally the more aggressive and tough villains are postflop, the less I like our hand. The caveat however is that if villains are true loose maniacs and will get to the river with virtually their entire range, then by all means, strap in and hope for the best. Hero loses more often than we win, but we're getting laid good enough odds to make it a profitable albeit high-variance spot.

Hero's hand has considerable SD value but if getting there means likely having to call a bunch of postflop bets OOP and in a state of considerable uncertainty, then folding pre is fine. In a sense, the situation often behaves similarly to hero getting besthanded.

In any case it's a thin spot and if hero is not confident that we won't be outplayed postflop then we should just fold and wait for the many better spots that will undoubtedly come along.

Am I the only one here who finds a fold?

edit: Just read Buzz.. I agree with him it seems nitty but capping out of position with AAT9sss isn't my style

I don't place a high value on AAXX hands, especially in games like the OP described.

AAJT would be a different story. But AAT9 once suited with the extra one of your suit out doesn't really float my boat. 876 on board makes someone a low.

I fold the first time

Thanks for all the opinions guys

I ended up calling and the flop came jhqh5r. The 100% vpipper donks out from the blinds, I call, then some more action and I'm facing two more bets all of a sudden.

I ...

Note: I have ah, but no flush dRaw

You have a pretty good flop for your hand. Two straight draws to the nuts and only 1 low card. Can't fold the flop.

If you are going to fold this flop, fold preflop.

Flop is a raise. As played call.

This is a pretty good flop for you, and although in this type of game it might not happen as often, you'll def put yourself in a better position to scoop if you can face the low draws with a double bet right away. I like that you hold the Ace as that may get a non not flush draw to fold IF you chose to play it like you're drawing to the nut straight and/or nut flush draw.

this^. not raising flop is really bad.

Raising the flop in Omaha 8 with only an open ended straight draw on a flush draw board is ******ed. Seriously people.

If you're gonna call something ******ed, at least bless us with an explanation why, no? Btw, I believe hero has the very best pair possible and nut flush draw blocker in addition to his open ender to the nuts.

Also, HU4rollz?

taking 2 to the face with a bare bdld or a ****ty flush draw is even more ******ed. even a random 1pair hand has a ton of equity against us. not folding these hands out is ******ed. raise flop.

LOL no

I like your plan in theory.

Here's what happens in real life.

You raise. 3 people cold call. Flop bettor 3 bets.

And how much equity does hero have vs these 4 hands?

Not as much as you think. OESD on a flush draw board is dicey. AA vs 4 people is basically worthless.

We have 6 outs to the nuts and then have to dodge hearts and the board pairing to win.

I'm playing pre. Id just raise first in tho. Flop is a raise. Failing to do that don't fold.