Hope so because I have a few:

1. If I have A2KK and a 345 hits the flop, I have the nut low no matter what comes on the turn and river because I can use A2 from my hand and 345 from the board even if, for example, the turn and river are A and 2 - doesn't matter I still have A2345 which is the nut low, correct?

2. If one player has A234, another has 2345 and the board runs out AKQ67, 2345 wins the low on that board because no two cards in the A234 hand can join any 3 cards on the board to create 5 unpaired cards less than or equal to 8, correct?

3. Should hands with four low cards be played aggressively before the flop in a hi-lo game? If not, should they limp-call raises and/or 3-bets?

4. If I have Ac2cQdQs and the flop comes Kc4c3d, I have outs to a hand that could make the nut high *and* the nut low in the same hand, correct?

5. Assuming the answer to #4 is "yes", how many outs do I have to the nut low on the turn?

6. If a 5, 6, 7 or 8 comes on the turn *or* the river will it give me the nut low regardless of the other card and anything the villains might have?

Hope the questions made sense,
DTXCF

mods can you move this thread to appropriate section?

yup

Wrong section, but it will get moved, and I'll answer anyway.

Correct.

Incorrect, although 2345 does win the low, he just only wins half of it.

The high and low hand are determined by taking any 2 cards from the players 4 cards that don't pair the board. That basically means that if there is an Ace on the board and we have an Ace in our hand, we don't use the Ace, but we can still use 2 of the remaining 3 cards to make a low, if they are low cards and don't pair the board. In this case 23 is used from both hands to make the nut low of A2367. This is a very profitable situation for the A234 player, because he also uses A4 from his hand to win the high with a pair of Aces.

Tricky question to answer. Hands that contain all low cards should include an Ace and a low of 2,3,4 or sometimes 5 or at the very least 23xx. The larger the gap between the Ace and the low card, the greater the chance that you chase a low that loses to a better low. Suited in some fashion is also optimal, even if its not to the ace. The idea of holding four low cards in your hand, is to make the nut low and have some sort of pair plus hand that can win the high as well. Your objective is to scoop or 3/4 people, not keep splitting pots.

Although 8765 is all low cards and decent in PLO, it is not that great in PLO8 because even if you make the nut straight with 87 on a 654xx board, you are more often than not splitting the pot another player. 8765 is a hand best suited for late position with lots of callers, because the chance that more than one player hits a low increases, thus making your high hand profitable due to 3+ players calling at the river.

Yes, this hand should be played aggressively.

16 outs to the nut low. 4 of those outs are clubs that also give you the nut high.

Yes and no.

If a 5 hits on the T, you have the nut low, regardless of the river.

If a 6,7 or 8 hits on the T you have the nut low. If then an A or 2 hits on the river, you no longer have the nut low as that card counterfeits the Ace or 2 in your hand. Your low will be A2346, A2347 or A2348.
We take the 3 lowest board cards (that don't pair our cards) and then two from our hand to make a low. Assuming you made a low on the turn, but then an Ace or 2 fell, the three board cards of A34 or 234 would be the foundation for the low, but since you have an Ace or a 2 you would have to use the next lowest board card (that doesn't pair your hand) to make your low, thus making you vulnerable to losing to a better low.

If an A or 2 hits on the T, you don't have the nut low. Only if a 5 hits on the river, will you have the nut low.

This thread was apparently started in the Small Stakes PLO forum yesterday and got moved to this forum today by GoGetaRealJob.

Correct.

Not correct. Both A234 and 2345 use the 2 and 3 to make the nut low, which is 7632A (read 76321).

In my opinion it depends on your opponents and various other factors. In my opinion you should play your opponents more than your own particular cards. What to do here depends on how you expect there particular opponents to react to the particular action you choose.

What you ultimately want to do with this hand is somehow turn it from a possible half or quarter pot winner into a whole or three quarter pot winner. Exactly how to do that demands some playing skill and is possibly what separates the men from the boys.

Correct.

16.

No. If a 5, comes, regardless of the other card, you'll have a wheel.
But if a 6, comes and the other card is an ace or deuce, you'll have a low of 64321, 74321, or 84321. With a board of K643A, K743A, or K843A, the nut low is 52**, to make a wheel.

They do. Hope my answers make sense. If not, ask another question.

Buzz

OK, I *think* I've got it.

Is it better to play hi/lo split games (Omaha 8 or otherwise) when there's minimal rake? The game feels next to impossible to beat with so many split pots where the only winner is the house.

I'm not complaining, the game is fun and that's why I play it, it just seems like people who play poker for monetary gain should look elsewhere.

You have to define what you mean by "better."

I think I can make more money playing no-limit Texas hold 'em than playing limit-Omaha-8, but at least for me, since I play for recreation, making more money playing small stakes poker is not "better."

Agreed.

Buzz

resurrecting a 2-and-a-half-year-old thread.

I abandoned this game soon after starting this thread because I was terrible at it and kept losing.

I was on a Card Player Cruise a few weeks ago. One night when I went down to the poker room and the only available seat was at the FLO8 table. I said to myself, "**** it, I'm on vacation" and sat.

I could not believe the terrible mistakes the players were making at that table - almost every hand was contested 4 to 6 ways to the flop, there was a lot of cold-calling raises before the flop, and showdown in a 5-way pot people were showing down a 5th-nut low with no high etc.

The point of bringing this up is that 2 and a half years ago I felt like the game was impossible to beat. What I didn't realize then is that you always have to take into account the competition - a 5/10NLHE game with a table full of TAGs, even though the rake is relatively less, will be a LOT harder to crush than a low-stakes FLO8 game like the one I just described.

Also, in the few months I did spend studying this game I got a lot of "always be thinking scoop" advice, which makes the game that much more profitable, especially at such loose, passive tables. Back then I didn't listen to that advice because a) I didn't understand the game of poker overall as well as I do now and b) if you're truly only thinking scoop you're not going to be playing very many hands, which for someone like me who at the time was used to FLHE and PLO is really boring. Since then I was introduced to the short-stack NLHE strategy which is super-boring but profitable and a good bankroll builder, which gave me the chance to understand where equity advantages are, how to avoid boredom by watching hands and building up reads etc.

OK I'll stop typing a novel here. I wish Global Poker had FLO8 so I could get some practice - unfortunately, as much as I'm chomping at the bit to play more FLO8, only my local casino spreads it and I don't get to go there very often.

Hope my post was at least entertaining if not informative.

Nope, as DNegs and Pokerstars recently discovered, more rake is better.

Only thing better than more rake is 3 milly in 300K High Roller

Polk spent 300K and all he got was a lousy T Shirt

Yeah, I noticed when I got to Buzz's post. You're literally putting the necro- in necrothread.

Buzz, we miss you, man. RIP.

That's true, sorta, but in most games you can think of any A2 as a potential scooping hand. Obviously it's a huge favorite to get some or all of the low. Meanwhile that confidence helps you play more aggressively. In games where people will fold, this helps you win high more often. In games where people won't fold, half or a quarter is still plenty big to justify you having played, plus occasionally you make a wheel or other freak hand.

I've dragged huge pots with stuff like A2J9 that made top two plus nut low.

Come play on America’s Cardroom. We need some more limit O8 players.


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