Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Pleasure

Whether UTG or LP, Can I still 2 and sometimes 3 bet my premiums

Yes. You can.

But should you two and three bet your premiums? And if so, when?

I think the answer is variable depending on various factors, including how you play other hands and how your opponents react to your raises.

Do some experts ever two and three bet premium starting hands? Of course.

Do some experts ever two and three bet non-premium starting hands? Yes.

Do some experts ever not two and three bet premium or non-premium starting hands? Yes.

But I don't think experts always agree on when to (and when not to) two and three bet starting hands.

I have basically been only playing hands like A-2-4-5 , A-2-3-x, A-A-3-4 and A-A-2-x hands. Can I raise with my top top range of hands or should I only call in EP?

My opinion is you should sometimes raise and sometimes call, depending.

Can I treat A3 ALMOST like A2 or does the A3 need a 7 or lower for akicker?

I myself treat A2** and A3** hands somewhat differently. And in either case I like (but don't generally require) some counterfeit protection. "Counterfeit protection" to me generally means another wheel rank.

I don't have experience playing in micro stakes games. In order to be optimally successful you always should adapt to your opponents, but when you're playing in micro stakes games, if you're primarily playing there to learn the game so as to "move up," I think you want to practice playing how you'd need to play at the higher level. Playing this way, I think you will generally still be successful, but probably not optimally so for the micro level.

and last question. with a A2 hand. can I still call 2 and 3 bets PRe? or will I need something more substantial to go along?

Your A2** hand goes way down in value if an opponent also has an A2** hand. It's hard to say in my games what pre-flop multiple bets mean without knowing the player making the raises. For some the raise defines the range of their hand. For others that's not true. (For me it's not true). If you virtually know an opponent also has A2**, then (depending on your other two cards) seriously consider folding, depending on the situation.

Also is folding A45 in any position with A being suited too nitty?

In my humble opinion it's too nitty for anyone but a beginner.

I am thinking about calling it fro now on if its only 1bet(means im only facing a limp??) and A is suited. and im assuming A34 and A35 can also be called from any position at these stakes?

A45*, A34* and A35* are all in my standard playing range. That is, I'm generally going to see the flop with all of those starting hands.

Buzz

[Pleasure]

thanks Buzz. Im gonna start classifying who the real tight players are and who the loose gooses are at my tables. I can better gauge which hands to play against who

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Pleasure

thanks Buzz.

You're very welcome.

Im gonna start classifying who the real tight players are and who the loose gooses are at my tables. I can better gauge which hands to play against who

Good idea to distinguish between who is tight and who is loose so as to better gauge which hands to play against whom.

Buzz

[Pleasure]

Don;t wanna jinx myself. but I definitely have improved over the past week in this game. I am starting to get a slightly better grip on pre flop and flop play. trying to play hands that scoop. Still nowhhere even close to where I want to be. but I am making some improvements. inch by inch.


thanks to all. Hope you guys arent getting tired of me because you can expect i ll be ticking around : D

[Jellurrrr1]

Hello guys,

I'm kinda new to omaha and would like to get to know plo8 and limit omaha 8. I have Pot Limit Omaha Poker by Jeff Hwang which I think gave me already a basic understanding. I also got a deucescracked subscription.

Anyone got any must watch series on deucescracked and some good articles on plo8/lo8 online?

thanks !

[AKQJ10]

Originally Posted by Jellurrrr1

Hello guys,

I'm kinda new to omaha and would like to get to know plo8 and limit omaha 8. I have Pot Limit Omaha Poker by Jeff Hwang which I think gave me already a basic understanding. I also got a deucescracked subscription.

Anyone got any must watch series on deucescracked and some good articles on plo8/lo8 online?

thanks !

In a Nutshell is their intro and really their only plo8 series, i think. There is a ton of great lo8 stuff from danzasmack, some of it quite advanced. i think your best lo8 intro videos are from some of the older Joe Tall mixed game series. i wanna say Saddle Up, but it might be the one before that.

Search the DC forums for video guides; i don't think there is one for o8 but i could be wrong. If there's isn't one, people on the DC forums are quite helpful.

[str8 or better]

Originally Posted by AKQJ10

i think your best lo8 intro videos are from some of the older Joe Tall mixed game series. i wanna say Saddle Up, but it might be the one before that.

from a donk to a stud.

[AKQJ10]

Originally Posted by str8 or better

from a donk to a stud.

Yep! Thanks

[Jyprock Jones]

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13487452

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A Q T
Hero posts BB OOP, MP calls, Hero checks, BTN raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10 SB) 9 7 J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls, 2 folds

Turn: (6.5 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls

River: (9.5 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, Hero ?

Do I fold on the river, or is the pot too big?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Jyprock Jones

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13487452

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A Q T
Hero posts BB OOP, MP calls, Hero checks, BTN raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10 SB) 9 7 J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls, 2 folds

Turn: (6.5 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls

River: (9.5 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, Hero ?

Do I fold on the river, or is the pot too big?

In my opinion Hero should call, although it's scary having BTN yet to act. If BTN raises and SB just calls, I'd call the raise too.

SB may not have a full house and may simply be betting trip jacks or something else. A not uncommon tactic by some opponents is to bet scare cards on the river regardless of whether the scare card helped them. (Some of the time the scare card has helped them and some of the time it has not).

If anyone disagrees with me, I'll move all posts related to your post into a separate thread.

Buzz

[str8 or better]

damned if you call, damned if you fold. whatever you do, I don't blame you for doing it, just don't raise...

more interesting IMO is whether you should bet if SB checks. I personally think "yes", but you should generally be willing to bet/fold, which doesn't suit everybody...

either way, it's such an ugly spot, I would move it...

[AKQJ10]

Originally Posted by Jyprock Jones

Do I fold on the river, or is the pot too big?

Against an unknown getting 10.5:1 it's not too bad to make a crying call. But honestly, I don't think an unknown is really bluffing (or poorly vbetting) much more than the 9% you need to make this a call. Note that the third player is partially protecting the pot.

I've thought about keeping stats on all my roughly 10:1 crying calls to see if they're really profitable. I think I call these way too much.

Obviously if your opponent is savvy and knows you'll fold a straight getting 10:1 then the everything changes.

Originally Posted by str8 or better

more interesting IMO is whether you should bet if SB checks. I personally think "yes", but you should generally be willing to bet/fold, which doesn't suit everybody...

I BF this. Just too much value from trips, AA, AK (possibly with busted draws), etc.

Savvy opponents could know that and bluff raise mercilessly (now they're getting 5.25 on a bluff raise) but very few are thinking on this level. Occasionally i talk myself into calling a raise here and it's virtually always just spew except against very specific opponents.

[floating-]

Hello,

My friends who I play homegames with have suggested dedicating the next few weeks to trying out new games, and the first night is going to be entirely PLO8 (off topic but the next game is NL 2-7, which is just awesome). We usually play NL holdem and occasionally PLO high. AFAIK, none of them have much experience playing PLO8 besides the usual donking around at microstakes that most poker players will do when 'learning' a new game. So, I come to you in the hopes of learning something new. I know very little but have started to read the 'beginners thread'.

The format of our game will be a sit n go, starting with 100BBs with progressively rising blinds. The buy in is only $10, so it's not a big deal that I'm not great at the game.

I'm interested in some very basic tips for playing, so far the one thing I get is to almost never play low only hands, and very rarely play high only hands, but other than that I completely suck.

So, any tips for a noob like me?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by floating-

I'm interested in some very basic tips for playing, so far the one thing I get is to almost never play low only hands, and very rarely play high only hands

I don't think not playing low hands and not playing high hands is a good way for you to think about the game of Omaha-8. Tending to avoid hands with middle cards is not bad very general advice.

I suggest you get a good book and read it. Then as you play the game, come to this forum to ask more specific questions.

Here's a link to our book containment thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

Good luck.

Buzz

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

There's not much. I think DC is slightly better than CR. Less content, but a bit higher quality and newer.