Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

[spimp13]

I am not on if it is available for all levels, but yes Merge does have fixed limit on top of NL and PL.

[str8 or better]

a practice in reading the low:

1) board is A2345
1a - write down all the 2-card combos that make the nut low (wheel) with 3 cards from the board.
1b - write down those who make the 2nd nut low.
1c - what about 3rd nut low?
1d - 4th?
1e - 5th?

2) same thing, only now the board is 2345K...

hint:

Spoiler:

think in terms of: what's the best possible 5-card low hand? what's the 2nd best? which cards are missing to make those hands?

enjoy!

[justblaze47]

Just starting out in o8.

What is good literature to read on the game before I play cash/tournaments?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by justblaze47

Just starting out in o8.

What is good literature to read on the game before I play cash/tournaments?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

[dark_horse]

Can a weak full ring 4/8 O8 with a half kill in a casino with a $5 rake (and $2 jackpot) be profitable?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by dark_horse

Can a weak full ring 4/8 O8 with a half kill in a casino with a $5 rake (and $2 jackpot) be profitable?

Do you mean $7.00 total is taken out of each pot?

If so, that's very high, higher than usual, higher than I've ever paid.

I want to say yes, you can beat that rake if you're good enough relative to your opponents, but truthfully that's an extraordinarily high rake for a $4/$8 game.

Buzz

[dark_horse]

What's a normal rake for a small stakes casino O8 game? For hold'em it's 10% up to $4 and having a $2 jackpot isn't that unusual. The Omaha jackpot is a separate pool but they still drop it.

[str8 or better]

Venetian:
the rake in 4/8 is 1 on 10, 2 on 20, 3 on 40 and 4 on 70 (4$ max), no jackpot/high hands drop.
the rake in 8/16 is 1 on 20, 2 on 35, 3 on 65, 4 on 95 (4$ max), no jackpot/high hands drop.
the rake in 15/30 is 3$ max, not sure about the levels...

[dark_horse]

Thanks for the stats. Yes in my game it's $4 or $5 (i'm not sure), and a $2 drop for jackpot/high hand. It's 4/8 with half kill as I said. And by the way everyone plays super slowly because they're 96 years old. I can't see making more than $10/hr here.

[str8 or better]

Originally Posted by dark_horse

Thanks for the stats. Yes in my game it's $4 or $5 (i'm not sure), and a $2 drop for jackpot/high hand. It's 4/8 with half kill as I said. And by the way everyone plays super slowly because they're 96 years old. I can't see making more than $10/hr here.

Make the 10 and be proud (dead serious!)
Now, read this:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-blog...s-higher-costs

[rock_leznar]

can someone please explain to me why i won money here at showdown?
cutoff wins the high with the flush,right?
but doesn't he have the better low too?



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
Limit Hi-Lo Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.40)
BB ($29.20)
UTG ($13.55)
UTG+1 ($120)
UTG+2 ($17.29)
MP1 ($6.68)
MP2 ($33.53)
CO ($23.48)
Hero ($26.79)

Dealt to Hero K 8 4 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, fold, BB calls $0.50

FLOP ($3.25) 7 5 2

BB checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $1, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50

TURN ($7.75) 7 5 2 3

BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1, BB folds, CO calls $1

RIVER ($9.75) 7 5 2 3 4

CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

CO shows A A 3 6
(Pre 65%, Flop 84.2%, Turn 15.6%)

Hero shows K 8 4 A
(Pre 35%, Flop 15.8%, Turn 84.4%)

CO wins $8.52
Hero wins $2.83

[str8 or better]

villian plays the A3 from his hand and 245 from the board to make a wheel (A-5);
hero plays the A4 from his hand and 235 from the board to make a wheel (A-5);
villian gets 3/4, hero gets a 1/4.

[rock_leznar]

so ,if both have the same 5 card hand it doesn't matter that my 4 is higher than his 3?
and why aren't the 4 and the 3 counterfeid?i thought i can't use cards for a low hand that are also on the board.

[str8 or better]

board is 5432, hero has A4, villian has A3
you both choose 3 cards from the board to make the best 5 card low hand.

you want to choose the 3 lowest possible cards from the board, but you already have a 4 in your hand. so instead of choosing the 2, 3 and 4, you choose the 2, 3 and 5.
combined, you have 5 (board), 4 (own hand), 3 (board), 2 (board), A (own hand) = 5-A, wheel, best possible low hand.

villian also wants to choose the lowest possible cards from the board, but he already has a 3 in his hand. so instead of choosing the 2, 3 and 4, he chooses the 2, 4 and 5.
combined, he has 5 (board), 4 (board), 3 (own hand), 2 (board), A (own hand) = 5-A, wheel, best possible low hand, and similar to yours.

the 4 from your hand and 3 from villian's hand are counterfeited in the way that it doesn't take specifically A3 or A4 to make a wheel. instead, any A+another wheel card makes the wheel.

think about it, if the flop comes 235 to your A4, you have the wheel. if the turn comes a 4, now you don't have the wheel anymore? of course not. you just use the same cards from the flop to make your wheel and don't use the turn card (the 4).

wheel can't lose, because you can't go lower than that.

but when you have an A4 and the flop comes 236, again, you have the nut low, but it's not the wheel, so you can't still lose.

if the turn comes a 4, you obviously don't improve and still have 6432A (now only 2nd nut low) but now can lose to anyone with A5 (who uses the 234 from the board to make a wheel) whom you had beat (he had 2nd nut low on the flop, 6532A) before.

similarly, if the turn comes an A, you obviously don't improve and still have 6432A (now only 2nd nut low) but now can lose to anyone with 45 (who uses the A23 from the board to make a wheel) whom you had beat (he had 3rd nut low on the flop, 65432) before.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by rock_leznar

can someone please explain to me why i won money here at showdown?

str8 or better has explained it. But I'll reply too.

cutoff wins the high with the flush,right?

Right.

but doesn't he have the better low too?

No. You both have wheels for low.

You use the ace and the four from your hand and the deuce, trey, and five from the board to make a wheel.

CO uses the ace and trey from his hand and the deuce, four, and five from the board to make a wheel.

You both end up with 5432A (a wheel) for low.

Buzz