Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells - Page 3 - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

**Buzz** · 05-17-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wannabebetter

A question that could perhaps be answered by using the search function, but I thought it might be useful for other newbs: how does one multi-quote a post I've tried figuring it out on my own, to no avail. Buzz is a master at this, and it seems like a useful thing when trying to respond to a specific point. Cheers.

I generally click on the "quote" button at the bottom of the post.

Then the whole post is one big quote. As I read down the post, if I get to a point where I want to respond, I'll either copy the quote with the slash mark that ends the quote and past it into where I want to comment, or I'll type square brackets, [], and write "quote" in between the square brackets and put a slash mark preceding the word "quote." Then I'll make sure there's a space and do that again without the slash mark below where I'm going to write my comment.

Then I might copy that whole thing, the square brackets with the word "quote" enclosed, and past it into wherever I want to use it. At the start of the quote, I should make sure the slash mark is deleted, and at the end of the quote, I should make sure a slash mark is included. Sometimes I forget to get the slash marks right. If I immediately read the post, I'll catch the error, and I'll edit to correct.

Buzz

DMoogle · 05-21-2010, 08:56 AM

Since I'm a newb at PLO8, I googled "Omaha 8 starting hands," and found this. My VPIP/PFR over 300 hands has been 23/8. Clearly it doesn't take into account stuff like position, but that's a concept I'm already quite familiar with (albeit not with this game). Thoughts?

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For High:
Pairs:
Aces count as 30 points. Kings = 13, Queens = 12, Jacks = 11 and all other pairs equal their face values. A pair of 5’ is worth five points.

Flushes:
Two card flushes count 10 points with an ace. All others count 4 points . Three or four of same suite count as half.

Straights:
Two card straight with no gap or one gap count as 2 points. (Ex: 8-9 or 8-T, ) High Cards:
Unpaired Ace = 4 points, King = 2points. For Low:
A-2 = 20 points
A-3 = 15 points, 2-3 = 10 points
A-4 = 10, 2-4, 3-4 = 5 points
A-5, 2-5, 3-5, 4-5 = 5 points

Add up the points for your four cards for the high count and the low count. Add them together. It takes 25 points to call, 40 points to raise and 50 points to reraise. If you are in the small blind you can complete your bet with 10 points.

Tarvaris · 05-21-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DMoogle

Since I'm a newb at PLO8, I googled "Omaha 8 starting hands," and found this. My VPIP/PFR over 300 hands has been 23/8. Clearly it doesn't take into account stuff like position, but that's a concept I'm already quite familiar with (albeit not with this game). Thoughts?

Before I ever started playing O8, actually before I ever started playing poker seriously, I found a similar (if not the same) calculation chart for hand strength pre-flop. When I first found it, I was thinking, "oh this will be easy, just follow the chart and profit." Once I actually started playing I quickly realized hand calculation charts actually have very little value overall. Things are way too player and position dependent to ever use a chart in my opinion. Plus the chart leaves you hanging once you aren't pre-flop anymore.

For example if you know for a fact that a certain player always limp re-raises his top 1% hands, and he never limps other than that. Then the next hand he limps before you and your chart tells you your hand is worth 40 points and so you should raise, but you know if you do he is going to re-raise and you know he has a hand like AAWW which crushes your hand. Why would you ever listen to the chart?

Or maybe you're on the button and everyone folds to you, the chart tells you that a limp is acceptable here, but the SB and BB play like 6/1 and 7/3 respectively. You know the majority of the time you can steal the blinds by throwing in a button raise and it is profitable to do so with almost any hand. Why would you ever listen to the chart?

I would suspect that no one on this board uses hand charts as an end all be all. I think most on here have a general idea of what hands have more equity than others, or how certain hands do against other types of certain hands, but I don't think any one decent plays so rigidly.

monkeypoo86 · 05-22-2010, 09:35 AM

Hello, First post on here, just wanted some advice, I would like to know the best site for Omaha hi lo mainly but would be playing all games, mainly 0.25/0.50 - 1/2. Would like advice on rakeback deals, first deposit bonus etc.
Any advice appreciated thanks.

WTFseeeb8 · 05-22-2010, 09:42 AM

If u are playing 1-2 i would not choose a site just because they offer a sign up bonus. I think u have to consider how many grinders the site have in firt place. Ftp/ps offers $600 i think and they have decent rakeback/vip levels.

If u are able to, i would choose a eurosite like eurosuperpoker, svenskaspelpoker, etc.

monkeypoo86 · 05-22-2010, 10:00 AM

Thanks, yea sign up bonus not essential, but good rakeback would be nice, the two I'm lookin at are FTP, but have heard of problems cashing out, ie. wanting proof of id etc. Also looking at betfair but dont think they got hi lo. Ideally would like a site i have heard of. Also what is the best site for rakeback, i think i used raketherake before, are they all the same.
Many thanks

guesswest · 05-22-2010, 10:09 AM

While games do run occasionally on other sites, if you're looking for a regular site with reliable action you only have PS and FTP to choose between.

PS can possibly offer a better deal if you're really in it for the long haul, ie once you reach Supernova, but even then it's only a little bit better and you have to generate 100,000 FPPs at worse reward levels to get there, which depending on volume is months of play. And then you have to maintain it.

FTP offer rakeback through any number of providers, google it - RTR is probably the biggest and most reputable rakeback provider but many others have a good reputation too. So if you're really in it for the long term, PS, otherwise FTP.

Cashouts on FTP shouldn't be a concern unless there is actually something dodgy about your account, like using someone elses bank details etc - they may request ID, but only once, and after that they process all withdrawals in a matter of hours for non-US.

guesswest · 05-22-2010, 10:12 AM

BTW, can confirm Betfair weren't spreading 08 last time I checked just a month or two ago - so unless that's recently changed you're right.

monkeypoo86 · 05-22-2010, 10:19 AM

Ok many thanks, Think i will prob go full tilt, I have account from years ago which i no longer know any details for so would set up new account. I have changed address and new bank cards but is that gonna cause problem, I was gonna do it in parents/ girlfriend name card but then didnt want trouble of id etc. But if all account in their name then the ID wont be a problem i guess.
Thanks for the help.

guesswest · 05-22-2010, 10:24 AM

If the issue is just remembering your login info, that should be no problem, just email them your details like name and DOB and they'll dig it up for you.

But if the problem is that you don't have rakeback on the old account, be aware FTP definitely do cross-reference info, including IPs, and check for multiple accounts. They kinda suck at catching some stuff hence the various multi accounting scandals they've had, but that's not to say they don't do it at all.

So without advocating either I would say that option B is MUCH better than option A if you're looking to open a rakeback account as you really don't want to be caught with two accounts in your name. They'd likely not be completely harsh on you in that event (seize funds) since one would be a long inactive account, but it'd still be trouble and a suspended account while it was resolved. FWIW I've never been asked for ID by FTP, I don't think it's routine.

WTFseeeb8 · 05-22-2010, 10:45 AM

Its very easy to cash out. I use moneybookers and from ftp-MB-ur bank it usually takes 15-20hrs on a weekday.

wackjob · 05-24-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DMoogle

Since I'm a newb at PLO8, I googled "Omaha 8 starting hands," and found this. My VPIP/PFR over 300 hands has been 23/8. Clearly it doesn't take into account stuff like position, but that's a concept I'm already quite familiar with (albeit not with this game). Thoughts?

Is that VP$P for 6-max or full ring? I think that is the VP$P of a strong full ring player and a weaker 6-max player, though I think it can be a good winning VP$P in both games, but less optimal in 6-max than in full ring. The more and more I play 6-max PLO8, the higher my VP$P has slowly been creeping. I play almost no full ring these days. I'm excited for the day when my 6-max VP$P hits 30 and I am still crushing the game.

DMoogle · 05-24-2010, 10:59 AM

What is a realistic winrate for a top midstakes player in PLO8? What about FLO8?

psst · 05-27-2010, 09:59 PM

Chaps, I have recently made the move to PLO8 from NL and i'm either running like good or have a pretty good grasp of how it al lworks. Anyway can you recommend a couple of good books for PLO8 6max or full ring cash games.

Nice one.

Tarvaris · 05-28-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by psst

Chaps, I have recently made the move to PLO8 from NL and i'm either running like good or have a pretty good grasp of how it al lworks. Anyway can you recommend a couple of good books for PLO8 6max or full ring cash games.

Nice one.

Here is the link to the O8 book thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

I haven't read that whole thread, hopefully there is recommendations that fit your criteria though. If not, maybe someone will come along with other recommendations.